Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

[Toogwick_tuk]

If pavin is still able to move large figures with his special attack he can use omegacron to move 3 omnicrons. Could be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Toogwick_tuk

If pavin is still able to move large figures with his special attack he can use omegacron to move 3 omnicrons. Could be a problem.

Good catch there. Better make it just Small or Medium.

[Lyrgard]

Pavin being able to move Brunak can be a problem I think :
- Pavin can move a hero up to 11 hex (up to 7 hex with brunak moving 4 hex carrying the hero (and able to gain height thanks to carry), then 4 move from cover fire)
- Pavin can move Raelin through brunak, who can carry her to a height position, up to 7 hex (more than Raelin own move !)
- Pavin can move, shoot, and then be moved back with brunak

restricting to small/medium would prevent it.

[DanieLoche]

What was looking as a simple power can makes overpowered combos apparently...

That's sad because I'd love to see an effective heroes-only army!

[nyys]

Hmmm... is this a case of do what the card says? I'm referring to Omegacron. Don't you have to be taking a turn with him to use Mobilization? Pavin's ability just allows a unique to move, not take a turn.

Regardless of the answer to that I'm going to vote to review Pavin. I don't like that Cover Fire works for huge figures, even though it's not about a huge figure hiding or something like that, but drawing fire away or surpressing it. Still seems odd to me.

Testing would prove it out so it wasn't as big a concern, but it also seems like a lot of 'free' movement for only 45 points.

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I suppose it's possible that "instead of moving" could mean instead of moving during the normal turn phase...

(if the change to include squad figures is made, it would be nice to be able to move units like the Templar Knights, so we should figure the Large thing out)

[superfrog]

to review Pavin right now, but I would be happy to see a small/medium restriction. And I don't have a problem with not effecting squad figures, Heroscape is full of powers that "should" effect a broader range of figures. Usually, official HS powers are simple. I would really hate to see "Squads or Small/Medium Unique Heroes". This design is supposed to help Unique Heroes, let it do that.

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Originally Posted by superfrog

to review Pavin right now, but I would be happy to see a small/medium restriction. And I don't have a problem with not effecting squad figures, Heroscape is full of powers that "should" effect a broader range of figures. Usually, official HS powers are simple. I would really hate to see "Squads or Small/Medium Unique Heroes". This design is supposed to help Unique Heroes, let it do that.

It would just be "small or medium figures" instead of the current "unique heroes."

[Toogwick_tuk]

Nyss, omegacron's Omnicron Mobilization states Instead of moving with omegacron, you may move up to 3 other soulborg figures you control that follow Jandar up to 5 spaces each.

Unfortunately it has no turn clause, which would be a good thing for that power.

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by Toogwick_tuk

Nyss, omegacron's Omnicron Mobilization states Instead of moving with omegacron, you may move up to 3 other soulborg figures you control that follow Jandar up to 5 spaces each.

Unfortunately it has no turn clause, which would be a good thing for that power.

Agreed. With the way Mobilization is worded, it's hard to argue that he couldn't move other Soulborg figures instead.

[Kinseth]

It wouldn't trigger Omegacron. Moving figures with anothers power ala Blasts moving Glads, Rats scurrying means they can move only X amount of spaces. Figures move this way do not get Road bonus either.

The instead of Moving refers to taking a turn with Omegacron, and forgoing his move phase.

He is not getting a move phase with pavin's ability. Only thing you could do with Omegacron is move him 4 spaces with Pavin's ability.

[Arch-vile]

Thanks for looking at him, guys. Lots of very helpful feedback. I'm not sure if 3 down votes fails him for review or not, but I'll be revising and resubmitting regardless. Here is the link to my customs thread if you wish to be privy to updates before I nominate again.

About Omegacron's Omnicron Mobilization: Other potential problems include Sonlen's Dragon Healing and Dund's Crippling Gaze. Both have the "before moving" clause. I'd rule Omegacron the same way.

For example, if there was a "Elf hero movement bonding" power, or an "Omnicron hero movement bonding" power, would that allow the use of Dragon Healing and Omnicron Mobilization? I don't know, but my gut says "no, of course not".

Spoiler Alert!

Dragon Healing
Before moving, you may choose a wounded Hero figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Sonlen. Roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 15 or higher, remove one Wound Marker from the chosen Hero’s Army Card. Sonlen’s Dragon can use its Dragon Healing on Sonlen.

Crippling Gaze 15
Before moving, you may choose a figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Dünd. Roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 15 or higher remove all Order Markers on the chosen figure’s Army Card (or cards if your opponent has more than one Common Army Card for that figure).

Omnicron Mobilization
Instead of moving with Omegacron, you may move up to 3 other Soulborg figures you control who follow Jandar up to 5 spaces each.

Check out this FAQ for Kira Jax, with similar wording to Omegacron.

Spoiler Alert!

EXPLOIT WEAKNESS
At any point before, during, or after movement, you may choose one opponent's figure within 6 clear sight spaces of Kira Jax. All of the special powers on the chosen figure's card (or cards if your opponent has more than one Common Army Card for that figure) are negated until the end of Kira Jax's turn. Kira Jax can only use Exploit Weakness once per turn.

Q: Can Kira Jax use Exploit Weakness if she moves using the Guerilla Tactics power of the M-43 Resistance Fighters ?
A: No. Kira Jax may only use Exploit Weakness during her turn.