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SOV/C3V Feedback Thread
ADMIN NOTE: The first ~30 posts of this thread were moved from the SoV Nominations thread.
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SoV is barely worth bothering with, IMO. Last edited by quozl; September 24th, 2019 at 11:51 AM. Reason: explanation by quozl |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
That kind of talk isn't helpful at all and is very disrespectful to the people who volunteer their time to be SoV judges, LO.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
I've pointed them out, multiple times. It stifles the custom community by being an alleged 'gold standard' for every design and designer to strive for, while being elitist, restrictive, critical of creativity and cliquey. I honestly think this project has done more harm to the community than good, all told.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
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I do think the SoV workshop should move into the SoV section as to not dominate the customs board in the same way al C3G stuff is hidden in a sub form. I actually think SoV works better when someone else nominates the unit instead of work shopping your own unit to get it approved. So your argument is good but the vemon is a tad extreme, however i guess this is the internet after all. I actually think it may be worth discussing the workshop thread and the nomination process as a group and not dismiss these concerns outright. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Yikes.
I would never come into another project's thread and trash the project. If it's not your thing, that's fine, but please respect those of us who put a lot of time, effort, and thought into the project. But to your points, I disagree that the project is elitist, critical of creativity, or cliquey. It is restrictive, but that's by design. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
It's not just 'another project'. It's monolithic. VC brands itself as being the face of Classic Heroscape now, to the point that Classic creators are overshadowed (I remember someone criticising Dr.Goomonkey's contests because they weren't putting out 'official' content and therefore held no value), and, honestly, does a pretty bad job of it, as far as I can see.
C3G manages to be engaging, exciting, creative and prolific. VC is glacial, restrictive, and aggressively elitist, at least from an outside perspective. That's honestly part of the reason Classic became less interesting to me than Superscape, and in my book that's an absolute crying shame. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Well met! The SoV judges are in a tough spot. They must preserve the “flavor” of Heroscape in spite of the slings and arrows of outraged egos - mine included. If I do say so myself, the units released under the SoV aegis include a fair number of interesting characters and, admittedly, some not so much, but only in my purely subjective opinion. Overall, I’d score them at roughly par, proportionately, with C3V. That’s a good thing. [Let’s see how I feel after my next submission.]. As it is, Lazy, I suggest reexamining your position in light of the relatively broad acceptance of the SoV process and results among the Community at large. I learned long ago (likely before you were born) that, if one person feels you’re full of it, maybe it’s him, but if 20+ people feel that way, with all due respect, it might be time for a mental enema. P.S.: Ninja’d by a few posts. Last edited by kolakoski; September 23rd, 2019 at 06:57 PM. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
I do think that there is a ton that VC could learn from C3G in terms of community engagement. I'm incredibly jealous of how seamlessly C3G is able to bring in community members to the project. That said, I don't think that antagonizing VC, its members, and its standards is the right way to do it.
I do dislike that most, if not all, classic custom activity seems geared towards SoV induction instead of creative and explorative customs. The idea of making something just for fun seems to be devalued, as noted with Dr.Goomonkey's contests. Quote:
I think this is an often misunderstood and undervalued point. Monthly Utah Tournaments in SLC!!
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
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That said, there are still multiple creators out there who don't just design for SoV and have plenty of great units because of it. I always enjoy looking through threads from creators like @Scytale , @flameslayer93 , @Pumpkin_King , your own thread, and plenty more. Not all of the stuff I see is something that I think belongs in SoV, but it's still great content that I appreciate. To say that VC has done more harm than good to the community feels very misguided to me. Yes, there are downsides to the project and now, nearly a decade after cancellation, too much of the community's focus is placed solely on it. That said, we're looking at the community nearly a decade after cancellation. To say that just because most of the remaining active members place a high level of priority on VC means that those 9 years of effort have hurt the community far more than helped it is incredibly disrespectful to the many years of work that people have put into these projects. Quote:
Again, it's perfectly fine if you don't like VC's style (although honestly "does a pretty bad job of it" is hardly a compelling criticism of the designs, but oh well). Everyone I know in VC has made a point of not trying to homogenize random customs. One of the things that I personally like about Dr.Goomonkey's Contests is that they aren't just VC-ish designs. Even if it's not my cup of tea, I can still appreciate the hard work that goes into those designs, and I'd never dream of constantly going into those threads to trash them. Quote:
I also like it when people nominate customs that aren't their own (and would like to see that happen more frequently as a general note), but I think that the workshopping and whatnot would still go on in any case. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Well met! Quote:
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