Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

[dalu]

Originally Posted by Tiranx

I would like to nominate qt.bangerange's Wraith of Bleakwoode.

I said here, more than one year ago, that I like it.

Some questions and remarks that I hope will help the Wraith go through the SoV process.

1) What happens if several Shades of Bleakewoode are attacked simulaneously (Fire Line, Explosion, ...) ?
Do you roll the 20-sided die once for all, or once for each Shade ?

2) What does exactly mean "a Shade of Bleakwoode may only be summoned if there is an unoccupied space adjacent to Wraith of Bleakwoode" ?
Do you still roll the 20-sided die and if you roll 13 or higher the Shade of Bleakwoode is safe, but cannot be summoned adjacent to the Wraith ?
Or is it forbidden to roll the 20-sided die ?

I suggest this wording:

SHADE SUMMONING
When one or more Shades of Bleakwoode you control are attacked and at least 1 skull is rolled, one at a time for each Shade of Bleakwoode you control affected by the attack, if there is an unoccupied space adjacent to Wraith of Bleakwoode, you may roll the 20-sided die.
If you roll 1-12, roll defense dice normally.
If you roll 13 or higher, the Shade of Bleakwoode takes no damage and must be immediatly placed on an unoccupied space adjacent to Wraith of Bleakwoode.
A Shade of Bleakwoode never takes leaving engagement attacks when using Shade Summoning.

3) Just a note: the power says that a Shade of Bleakwoode can be placed on an "unoccupied space".
"unocupied space" is used in only 2 powers: Glacier Traverse (Dzu-Teh) and Mage Hand (Heirloom), and is different from the much more usual "empty space".
A Glyph can be on an "unocupied space" but not on an "empty space", it's explained here.

[Killometer]

I like this idea for improving the Shades longevity. I vote YES to review qt.bangerang's Wraith of Bleakwoode.

[nyys]

Wrath of Bleakewoode

[Super Bogue]

I vote to review the Wrath of Bleakewoode. Dalu brings up some good point though.

[Scytale]

My viewpoints:

Originally Posted by dalu

1) What happens if several Shades of Bleakewoode are attacked simulaneously (Fire Line, Explosion, ...) ?
Do you roll the 20-sided die once for all, or once for each Shade ?

I don't see this as a new problem. Multiple Vanish powers could happen simultaneously due to an explosion attack. Which one resolves first would come to a die roll, and I suppose this situation would as well.

Originally Posted by dalu

2) What does exactly mean "a Shade of Bleakwoode may only be summoned if there is an unoccupied space adjacent to Wraith of Bleakwoode" ?
Do you still roll the 20-sided die and if you roll 13 or higher the Shade of Bleakwoode is safe, but cannot be summoned adjacent to the Wraith ?
Or is it forbidden to roll the 20-sided die ?

It isn't wording I particularly like, but it is the same on powers like Isamu's Vanish. The interpretation of this standard wording is that the entire power cannot happen unless the condition is met.

Originally Posted by dalu

3) Just a note: the power says that a Shade of Bleakwoode can be placed on an "unoccupied space".
"unocupied space" is used in only 2 powers: Glacier Traverse (Dzu-Teh) and Mage Hand (Heirloom), and is different from the much more usual "empty space".
A Glyph can be on an "unocupied space" but not on an "empty space", it's explained here.

I would prefer "empty" be used here, but it's not a deal-breaker for me.

[Dad_Scaper]

I only care that some of you, and you know who you are, start to remember the difference between "Wraith" and "Wrath."

One looks like this:



and one looks like this:



Now keep 'em straight!

[MegaSilver]

[dalu]

Originally Posted by Scytale

I don't see this as a new problem. Multiple Vanish powers could happen simultaneously due to an explosion attack. Which one resolves first would come to a die roll, and I suppose this situation would as well.

The only way to trigger multiple Vanish-like powers is to hit simultaneously several Isamu, from different players, with the same special Attack. Each Isamu would use its own Vanish power on its own Army Card.
(Multiple Disappearing Ninja, Scatter or Scurry are not possible, because they only trigger on Normal Attacks, which never have multiple targets)

So you think that it's clear enough that there would be one 20-sided die roll per Shade of Bleakewoode, to try to summon them one at a time ?
Each Shade, one at a time, would trigger the "Shade Summoning" power on the Wraith Army Card.

Seems logical to me.
If needed, a simple FAQ could solve this.

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by dalu

So you think that it's clear enough that there would be one 20-sided die roll per Shade of Bleakewoode, to try to summon them one at a time ?
Each Shade, one at a time, would trigger the "Shade Summoning" power on the Wraith Army Card.

Yes, that is how I interpret it. It may require a roll-off to see which Shade rolls for summoning first, though normally I would just allow the player to choose the order.

[superfrog]

Shouldn't they be summoned in the order that they roll defense dice? In cases like Fire Line, that seems to make the most thematic sense, so you could add a "before rolling defense dice for that Shade of Bleakewoode" phrase that clarified the order (attacker chooses, in most cases).

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by superfrog

Shouldn't they be summoned in the order that they roll defense dice?

Technically, no. They are all affected by the attack, which means they are all simultaneously affected. The fact that they roll defense dice one at a time is a function of rolling defense dice phase, not a feature of the attack itself.

I would probably play that way, though, since I don't think it actually matters.

[superfrog]

So what happens if a Shade is in Mimring's Fire Line, which targets spaces rather than figures, and is summoned to a space also in the Fire Line? Does it have to roll defense dice anyway?