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Old September 1st, 2011, 05:58 PM
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

Updated the OP.

"Well, either it allows a magic-user to cast the various Bigby's Hand spells, or it's a +2 backscratcher. So far we're not sure which."
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Yup, they just can't attack Zogross directly (i.e. target/select him).
Hmm. Yeah I think that pushes the terminology a tad but I get it. Cool custom.
IMO, this should be in the Rules/Clarifications portion of the OP. It could come up quite a bit in games and such.

Other than that, he looks great! Nice job C3V!
I just think it is odd tosay that a figure cannot be attacked and yet he can be affected by an attack. It's like saying that because I had a flu shot, I am protected against the flu.... Unless the flu comes to me by way of a sneeze in which case I am not protected.
In retrospect, we should have used "target" instead of "attack" there. I take responsibility for missing that one.

Also, I think the OP should link to the gallery image here at 'Scapers.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

TW with the ninja-FAQ. Thanks, TW!

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Yup, they just can't attack Zogross directly (i.e. target/select him).
Hmm. Yeah I think that pushes the terminology a tad but I get it. Cool custom.
IMO, this should be in the Rules/Clarifications portion of the OP. It could come up quite a bit in games and such.

Other than that, he looks great! Nice job C3V!
I just think it is odd tosay that a figure cannot be attacked and yet he can be affected by an attack. It's like saying that because I had a flu shot, I am protected against the flu.... Unless the flu comes to me by way of a sneeze in which case I am not protected.
I don't look at the power as a "magical effect" against attacks like a flu shot would be.

I see it as the whole theme of the card depicts. The Warriors or Protectors draw concentrated fire to themselves in order to protect Zogross, like jumping in front of the bullet. But if there is an explosion, it affects the whole area so the Warriors can't jump in front of the bullet to protect Zogross.
Oh absolutely! The theme is totally there and that's what makes this wording worth risking the oddity. You guys nailed the theme on all of these. Easily the best quality classic customs I have ever seen.


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Old September 1st, 2011, 06:31 PM
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Oh absolutely! The theme is totally there and that's what makes this wording worth risking the oddity. You guys nailed the theme on all of these. Easily the best quality classic customs I have ever seen.
Thanks GB, that compliment means a lot coming from someone with your pedigree.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Oh absolutely! The theme is totally there and that's what makes this wording worth risking the oddity. You guys nailed the theme on all of these. Easily the best quality classic customs I have ever seen.
Thanks GB, that compliment means a lot coming from someone with your pedigree.
I couldn't agree more with ZB.
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Yep, he just can't be the target for an attack in that case.
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The goal is to avoid being able to purposefully target him.
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In retrospect, we should have used "target" instead of "attack" there.
Attacks which doesn't target a figure.
Rhogar Dragonspine's Dragon Breath, where you don't target a figure, but must choose 3 spaces.
Mimring's Fire Line, where you don't target a figure, but must choose 8 spaces.
Can you hit Zogross with those attacks if engaged with him and one or more Warriors or Protectors you control who follow Ullar ?

Earth Elemental's Earth Slaw, where you don't target nor choose anything.
Can it be used if engaged with Zogross and one or more Warriors or Protectors you control who follow Ullar ?

Pelloth's Lolth's Wrath, where there is no targeting involved (read QA in his book);
Can it be used against Zogross if Pelloth is engaged with Zogross and one or more Warriors or Protectors you control who follow Ullar ?
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

Off hand, I'd say in the first three cases, he can be affected, but not in the last. But I'd like to see what others say.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

From the most recent FAQ.

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Who is the target of Lolth's Wrath Special Attack? Can Pelloth use Lolth's Wrath while engaged?
There is no targeting involved because the Drow is “chosen” not “targeted”. While Pelloth is engaged, he can only use Lolth’s Wrath to affect figures he's engaged with. Once Pelloth is no longer engaged, he can apply additional skulls to other figures
Well, it doesn't say that it attacks the affected figure either.
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I don't see why Lolth's Wrath would not bypass this power.

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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

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Yep, he just can't be the target for an attack in that case.
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The goal is to avoid being able to purposefully target him.
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In retrospect, we should have used "target" instead of "attack" there.
Attacks which doesn't target a figure.
Rhogar Dragonspine's Dragon Breath, where you don't target a figure, but must choose 3 spaces.
Mimring's Fire Line, where you don't target a figure, but must choose 8 spaces.
Can you hit Zogross with those attacks if engaged with him and one or more Warriors or Protectors you control who follow Ullar ?

Earth Elemental's Earth Slaw, where you don't target nor choose anything.
Can it be used if engaged with Zogross and one or more Warriors or Protectors you control who follow Ullar ?

Pelloth's Lolth's Wrath, where there is no targeting involved (read QA in his book);
Can it be used against Zogross if Pelloth is engaged with Zogross and one or more Warriors or Protectors you control who follow Ullar ?
My personal opinion is that if it ain't targeted, it can be damaged (and, in fact, if I had another shot at this power, I would push for "target" being right there in the wording). But don't take that as authoritative.

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And I've seen some people on the Internet seem to have a problem with mixing this with the rest of the game, which makes no sense to me, because, I mean, you already are having knights fight robots, how is throwing Spider-Man into the mix that big of a deal?
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Post Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

First, can Braxas target Zogross with her Acid Breath ability since it is not an attack?

Second, let me come up with some examples to make sure I understand this.

A) Syvaris is completely unengaged, six spaces away from Zogross, who is surrounded by friendly Armoc Vipers. Syvaris may attack and potentially inflict wounds on Zogross.

B) Siege is adjacent to and engaged with Zogross. Two Protectors of Ullar are adjacent to Zogross, but not adjacent to Siege. Siege may attack and potentially inflict wounds on Zogross.

C) Agent Carr is engaged with Saylind, four spaces away from Zogross, who stands alone. Agent Carr may not attack Zogross because he is engaged with the Saylind (standard rules of engagement).

D) Sgt. Drake Alexander is engaged with and adjacent to a Warrior of Ashra and Zogross. Sgt. Drake Alexander may not attack Zogross per Tribal Protection.

E) Othkurik is engaged with and adjacent to a Greenscale Warrior and Zogross. Othkurik may not target Zogross with his normal attack, but he may use his acid breath attack on the Greenscale Warrior and select Zogross as a secondary target, thereby potentially inflicting wounds on the Greenscale Warrior.

Is that about right?
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Re: The Book of Zogross Hardscale

5/5, capsocrates.

Braxas can target Zogross because it's not an attack.
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