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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
The duration is defined by the other markers. You are correct that if Ranjit reveals the X and it gets noped away later, the power stays in effect.
Although, I’m not sure of any powers that mess with the placement of revealed OMs. One consequence of the current wording vs. “rest of the round” wording is that if Rygarn moves an OM that could disrupt (or even trigger for the first time) Lion of Punjab. Also. If a card is destroyed, it no longer falls under “you control” and the buff is negated. I guess that Rygarn could potentially fix that, though… |
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
I thought you always controlled Army Cards, regardless of whether or not the figures were alive?
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I'm In Control Now
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
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In other words, I think LoP has an activation at the start of the round and then zero or more actual uses during the turns. We know the requirements on the X for activation, and we know the requirements on the 1/2/3 for uses, but it's unclear whether there are any requirements on the X for the uses. Crag of Steel and Frost Rage make it clear that, once their powers have been activated, the X doesn't matter for uses because of the phrase "for the duration of the round" — but Lion of Punjab lacks this phrase. On the other hand it also lacks an explicit requirement for the X to still be in place on Ranjit, so there are two different reasonable interpretations for the design intent. My guess is that the intent was "for the duration of the round" (which would make this power consistent with the two existing powers it's closely related to). But we'll have to see what the rules team says. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list Last edited by Just_a_Bill; April 12th, 2022 at 02:53 PM. Reason: correction to use correct Scape terminology |
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
I always thought the 4th cared about controlling the figures, not the card, guess it had been a while since I actually read them. It's a pretty wild idea to me that you wouldn't be considered controlling a card that you're actively rolling for and making choices for (that goes for more cards than just Airborne). And this also implies that controlling a card is secondary to controlling the figure(s), although this checks out with Ne-Gok-Sa, too, as he takes control of "the chosen figure and that figure's Army Card".
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
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I remember thinking they would have had fewer headaches going forward if they had just bitten the bullet on that one card errata. They could have established that there was a difference between controlling a card and controlling the figures. In the early game you don't control the AE figures since they're not on the battlefield, but you do control their army card since you're using its text and rolling the d20 for it. Simple, and eliminates the cognitive disconnect. Or, they could have just let that one personality bonus situation not work, and let the cards do what they say they do. But in the early years of a new game it's easy for designers to want to tweak and nuance individual situations at the (future) expense of the overall rules engine, because they haven't yet had to deal with the interpretation burden of hundreds of interworking parts that years of additions will bring. It's natural, unfortunately. I've seen it happen more than once, and I've even been responsible for it myself before I learned that lesson. So here we are in 2022 having to remind ourselves again that you can use the text of, and roll the die for, a card you do not actually control. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
JaB, the duration is clearly defined: “while your other three Order Markers are on Army Cards you control that follow three different Valkyrie Generals”.
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
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I think the right answer is "for the duration of the round." But other things that last for the duration of the round explicitly say so. Since this one does not, the next two thoughts become why doesn't it say so? and I wonder if this one works differently. We can argue that we should infer for the duration of the round, but we can also argue that we should infer for as long as the X remains on the guy. These will be the same thing often, but not always, so we need to know which one it is. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
Clipper423, Oh Freek, Nikkomon, DarthBaggins, quizzcode, Astroking112 & more on my trade list Last edited by Just_a_Bill; April 12th, 2022 at 02:52 PM. Reason: I should've used the correct Scape phrase from Evar and Siege. |
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
We should have put an "until the end of the round" on there. The intent is that the duration of the power is until the end of the round, but is only active while the three order markers requirement is met. In theory moving of order markers could remove the benefit and then restart it later in the same round. The placement of the 'X' does not matter after the initial reveal.
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
Thanks for the official word,
@Scytale
. I also just now noticed this:
The existing cards that reveal "X" OMs all use quotation marks rather than apostrophes, and they all say an "X" rather than the "X": CRAG OF STEEL (Siege) — you may also reveal an "X" order marker DIVINE MISSION (VN) — you may reveal an "X" order marker FROST RAGE (Evar) — you may also reveal an "X" order marker LABORS (Heracles) — you may reveal an "X" order marker Just noting it here in case the card ever gets cracked open for editing. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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Re: The Book of Ranjit Singh
Does anyone have an idea for a better sculpt for this? I got the Merchant one depicted in this thread but the scale does not look right at all to me next to other Heroscape figures.
(Mine has a transparent base so maybe it is a different version?) |
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