C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings

[Heroscaper Guy]

Originally Posted by flameslayer93

They’d have to make all the C’s into D’s because C units are less than average, and generally underperform.

That's the thing with making new units. It's going to shift thing down just by adding things (and even if you improve older units, like say Dund, that's going to shift other units down). It's a necessary evil, and while you can minimize it, there's no eliminating it.

[superfrog]

Just waiting on a few Books and I'll get these in the OP. The spreadsheet is ready to go.

[vegietarian18]

Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV]: A+ -> B-
Major Q9: A+ -> B-
Deathreavers: A+ -> B-
Zettian Deathwings: B- -> A+

[brak88]

Originally Posted by vegietarian18

Raelin the Kyrie Warrior [RotV]: A+ -> B-
Major Q9: A+ -> B-
Deathreavers: A+ -> B-
Zettian Deathwings: B- -> A+

His Queglix's sweaty, Reav's weak, Kyrie's heavy
There's three heads on the terrain already, bombs from Zetti's
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs, but he keeps on forgettin' (to click the right button)


But to keep things focused on unit discussion, I was inspired to use the deathwings from the following video. Might be better than you think.

YouTube

[Dad_Scaper]

If we've learned anything, clearly it's that.

Hi, vegie! Sorry we won't see you & your dad this year. Please tell him I said hi.

[vegietarian18]

Oh I definitely do think that the Zettians are better than B-. They are a two-man squad, but they have a lot of other things going for them.

-Ranged flying
-Special attack
-5 defense vs. range

Your Arktos synergy with them was very clever. Adjacency attack boosting range is lethal and I don't think that combination is heavily explored yet with Arktos. Arktos is even better than Marcus for this type of use since Arktos himself has a solid ranged attack. I think I'd go B+ for Zettians. Don't think a B- squad could take down Q9 Raelin Rats even assuming they rolled super well so they have to be higher than B-.

To be honest I'm also thinking Q9 has to go down a peg in the ratings to A. VC has pushed out so many Q9 counters over the years: Cultists, Heracles, Marutuk all are better counters to Q9 than anything in original Heroscape. He just doesn't have the potential to sit on a hill unscratchable like he used to.

Incendiborgs maybe go up a peg too to share the A rating with Q9? At this point I'm not sure which one I'd rather take to a Bring Cheese event. I was really impressed by them in both of Tiamat's games in the OHS Bring the Cheese. They are somewhere between Major Q9 and a super version of 1x Mezzos. Major Q23 has jokingly said that Mezzos are A+ but only when playing 1 squad but I think there's some truth in the idea. Redundant Systems and Exoskeletons are substantially better with lower numbers of figures because keeping each figure alive is more significant. And Redundant Systems working against specials and lava and disengage where exo doesn't is huge. A lot of the ways that you can counter range support like Krav or Q9 is running at them and smashing them in, but that's substantially worse against Vulcanmechs since they can weather the storm.

Trying not to overreact as there haven't been that many games played, but I think in general these rankings were done off a lot of theoryscape rather than games. I have more thoughts but I'll finish after the tournament (unless I get excited and want to say more sooner).

[superfrog]

Incendiborgs are already A.

[vegietarian18]

Ah okay. That makes sense. Didn't see that. I'm not sure why Major Q10 is in A up there with the big boys but that's another conversation.

[Kinseth]

Originally Posted by vegietarian18

Ah okay. That makes sense. Didn't see that. I'm not sure why Major Q10 is in A up there with the big boys but that's another conversation.

Because @dok doesn't really downgrade figures, he feels everyone should get a trophy.

[dok]

Originally Posted by vegietarian18

I'm not sure why Major Q10 is in A up there with the big boys but that's another conversation.

I think it's essentially the same conversation as Q9 being an "A", right? absent your arguments for downgrading Q9 from A+, I don't see how you would downgrade Q10 from A. Q10 is really really good, it's just that Q9 outshines Q10 for 30 points more. There are times where Q10's SAs are better than Q9's SA, but it's not all the time and it doesn't make up for 2 more defense.

[flameslayer93]

Incendiborgs have proven to be really really strong in ohio’s events.

[vegietarian18]

I mean in the same sense that Wolves of Badru's SA is sometimes better than Quiglex? Q10 is clearly outclassed by the other A figures. I'm way more scared of Kaemon than Q10. No one took Q10 in either of the two bring the cheese tournaments in the past month. I think he's A- or even B+. 5 defense just isn't that good for 150 points. But anyway. Different conversation.