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Re: Casters of Valhalla
Great to have a 'scape podcast! Enjoyed it so far. One major complaint, though:
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severely mispronounced his own name at the beginning.
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Re: Casters of Valhalla
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I would absolutely love for you to drain every turn. I actually encourage my opponent's to drain. It's worked out well for me so far. Dragon Dice - (the 2nd best game there is) Learn to Play! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3q6...wujcr8vVf8e21G Last edited by Matthias Maccabeus; November 8th, 2019 at 10:50 AM. Reason: Sir Gilbert's battle cry, "Drain!, Drain!" |
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If my opponent has low point squads like Blade/Arrow Gruts or Spiders, I probably never drain. If my opponent has Q9 on height, I probably drain every single turn. 3 attack isn't enough there, so if I lose a turn it doesn't really hurt me much (on the assumption that 3 attack would not have done damage anyways). I.e. Draining is the better route when the probability of getting a wound off of just 3 dice is low enough that the turn itself will probably do nothing positive if you do not drain. What that cutoff probability is, though, is certainly debatable. |
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Dragon Dice - (the 2nd best game there is) Learn to Play! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3q6...wujcr8vVf8e21G Last edited by Matthias Maccabeus; November 8th, 2019 at 10:51 AM. Reason: If you're even and whiff, you are now behind and are forcing the drain issue. |
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My Basic Strategy
Am I facing something with a lot of defense that I need to kill either this turn or within the next few turns to have a good chance at winning and is my position not likely to improve? Drain.
Beyond that, I usually don't. 3 attacks of 3/4 is usually good enough to kill everything. I remember an opponent running DCs (admittedly not the ideal DC army) through my stingers and we quickly called it a meat grinder. I don't think I rolled for drain once there. ~Dysole, noting that she's also pretty risk averse (but also loves rolling d20s...) My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. |
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Re: Casters of Valhalla
55% chance of getting +1 attack die is pretty great. Sure there's risk...but lots of Heroscape units have risk. Admittedly some of the better players and units mitigate the amount of risks you take in a game i.e. never draining...but it's my experience that risks can be the deciding factor in pushing you from behind back in front or from even to clearly in the front. If you're already ahead, sure don't drain, but Stingers, at least in the Utah meta, have always been strong and I think are definitely a powerhouse of a unit to deal with.
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Brain Drain
At the same time, no drain gives you 9 dice. (Assuming no height) Drain gives you 8.85 dice on average. (12 vs 11.8 if all have height).
This is why I only drain if I need the variance. The risk isn't worth it on a vanilla turn. ~Dysole, informationally My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. |
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Casters of Valhalla: THE Competitive HeroScape Podcast!
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Re: Casters of Valhalla
My take on Stinger Drain:
I don’t think you should really ever do it, unless you’re so far behind that you need variance to have a chance. I actually think that people would play better with Stingers overall if they were just a blank card. Losing a turn and 20 points is devastating, so unless you’re behind enough where you need the positive variance to save you, don’t drain. I think a lot of the reason why people drain is actually in response to poor play patterns; they mess up early and are forced to drain more than they should. Results pretty clearly back this as well. Nick the Ant has won the last three General Wars with Stingers (an insane feat as General Wars is very competitive with a lot of good to great players), and he NEVER drains. He’s a great player though, and his play patterns are strong enough to where he doesn’t need to rely on variance to win. Casters of Valhalla: THE Competitive HeroScape Podcast!
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I guess you can make an argument for Kelda to be included, but it's a bad argument. Maybe Pelloth too, but if you're playing Pelloth we have to have a different discussion. Stinger drain has the biggest negative effect of any ability in the game because it's totally avoidable. Marcu is probably a close 2nd but that's why he's 20 points. Hawthorne is up there as well but since he can turn back it get's dicey. Dragon Dice - (the 2nd best game there is) Learn to Play! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h3q6...wujcr8vVf8e21G Last edited by Matthias Maccabeus; November 8th, 2019 at 03:01 PM. Reason: Ha! Get it..DICEY! Because he rolls dice... |
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Re: Casters of Valhalla
That's fair. Stingers with a strong screen of rats can help mitigate the impact of a failed roll though. So I'd still say they're a strong contender. I've played many a game against opponents who rolled for drain every time and never failed, royally cleaning my clock. Now, of course that's against odds and they should have failed a time or 2, but the impact of constantly rolling 4 dice (5 from height) while Drain is hot, keep you - generally - well in front of your opponent to the point where even a failed drain won't break the bank. That said, I'm a riskier player than most and live for "Red Deck" type play where the more dice I roll the more likely it will be for me to kill you and roll through your army.
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