The Book of Batgirl (Barbara Gordon)

[tcglkn]

I like the Utility Belt direction and I really like your rivalry power here. Seems like a solid design though.

[IAmBatman]

I kind of like it as is, especially if you're going younger. She wouldn't necessarily be as "equipped" so just having a Bat-Grapple instead of a full Utility Belt would kind of make sense. That said, I do like the flexibility of the Utility Belt and wouldn't be against Utility Belt 1 instead.

I like the power set overall, but do have one small concern:

VIGILANTE RIVALRY
Add 1 to Batgirl's Range and Attack numbers for each Order Marker on a Vigilante or Sidekick you control, up to a maximum of +2.

She's getting boosted by Order Markers on her own card? I'm presuming you meant on the cards of other Vigilantes? Maybe they should be ones in clear sight to make that easier to word? Also, should it be any Order Marker whether revealed or unrevealed? Or should we choose one or the other?

I really like the idea of tag-teaming her with classic Batman and Robin (Batman (I) and Robin (Dick)).

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

VIGILANTE RIVALRY
Add 1 to Batgirl's Range and Attack numbers for each Order Marker on a Vigilante or Sidekick you control, up to a maximum of +2.

She's getting boosted by Order Markers on her own card? I'm presuming you meant on the cards of other Vigilantes? Maybe they should be ones in clear sight to make that easier to word? Also, should it be any Order Marker whether revealed or unrevealed? Or should we choose one or the other?

It should be others. It's based on Merlyn's Archer Rivalry, but he is not an Archer, so that did come up with him. How about this:

VIGILANTE RIVALRY
At the start of the round, add 1 to Batgirl's Range and Attack numbers for each Order Marker placed on any other Vigilante or Sidekick cards you control, up to a maximum of +2.

[IAmBatman]

Yep, that should work just fine. She'll work nicely in standard Vigilante/Sidekick armies and with Teen Titans (Sidekick builds) as well.

[johnny139]

Currently you have the name Reckless Engagement but a different power text (which I almost skipped over!). Is the text correct or the power name?

Overall she feels fine to me. Might bring his Life down to 3 and her Defense up to 5, but we're inconsistent on the 3/4 Life distinction between the Gotham youngsters, so whatever plays better is fine here.

I like the second mini best. More consistent with the Dick Grayson Robin we're using.

I find her being a Vigilante on the same level as Batman sort of weird, as I feel like she shouldn't be receiving a lot of those synergies... you know, getting Sidekicks of her own, teaming up with Nite-Owl, being Commissioner Gordon's chosen Vigilante (though that last one brings up some thematic problems for a different reason ). She's not really a Sidekick, though, and looking at it now we have Stephanie Brown as a Vigilante, where I made the same argument and was convinced to stick with it, so this paragraph is a bit of a waste.

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Currently you have the name Reckless Engagement but a different power text (which I almost skipped over!). Is the text correct or the power name?

Overall she feels fine to me. Might bring his Life down to 3 and her Defense up to 5, but we're inconsistent on the 3/4 Life distinction between the Gotham youngsters, so whatever plays better is fine here.

I like the second mini best. More consistent with the Dick Grayson Robin we're using.

I find her being a Vigilante on the same level as Batman sort of weird, as I feel like she shouldn't be receiving a lot of those synergies... you know, getting Sidekicks of her own, teaming up with Nite-Owl, being Commissioner Gordon's chosen Vigilante (though that last one brings up some thematic problems for a different reason ). She's not really a Sidekick, though, and looking at it now we have Stephanie Brown as a Vigilante, where I made the same argument and was convinced to stick with it, so this paragraph is a bit of a waste.

I changed the power name on Reckless Engagement last minute and forgot that we had already used it. I had Heroic Dash originally, any thoughts on that as name instead?

I hesitated with her as Vigilante as well, and I'd be open to any suggestions. She probably fits less as a Vigilante than Stephanie Brown does.

[johnny139]

"Hasty Strike" or something like that, maybe?

Going down our previously-used Classes, here are some that might fit:

Protector/Defender (I mean, she DOES protect/defend Gotham...)
Student (Since, in my experience, she's more of a "hobbyist" hero.)
Prodigy (Even before Oracle, she was a genius with a photographic memory and a great [Olympic-level, maybe?] athlete in her teens.)
Investigator/Detective (Detective is a new one... they both fit, but Investigator has some BRPD synergies.)

[IAmBatman]

I like Vigilante, because it makes sense for the Alfred and Robin synergies, IMO.

[IAmBatman]

And "Heroic Dash" sounds good. I also looked right past that after I saw the power title.

[A3n]

I like where this is at after the comments the others have made I don't have any more to add.

[Margloth]

Would it be better to take a page from that one Classic Troll, like this:

HEROIC DASH (I think I'd prefer Reckless Dash or Reckless Advance)
If Batgirl attacks a figure she was not engaged with at the start of the turn, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled. During this attack, all excess shields rolled by the defending figure count as unblockable hits inflicted on Batgirl by that figure.

Might be overly complicated, but I think it would better convey the concept of her getting trounced by a prepared opponent.

[IAmBatman]

Just a quick question on that - if the defending figure already has Counter Strike or an equivalent power, do the powers stack? Or are they just redundant?