The Holocron of Yoda

[TREX]

Awesome, glad you guys went with my idea to backpack yoda around. He looks simply awesome. He will be so much fun.

[Dysole]

Sure C3G does have more expensive figures so let's grant that. Let's look at classic/VC and see who can lava dunk.

Jotun 14+ adjacent
Shurrak 15+ adjacent need to have attacked them first
Hoplitron 13+ adjacent

There is no classic figure movement power anywhere near this level of power.

~Dysole, noting that it oddly punishes more expensive figures

[Sheep]

Yeah, but the thing about Force Push is that it has to be two straight spaces. Jotun/Shurrak can just throw figures 4/3 spaces in any direction once they meet their stipulations (which are more, but once met, a lot less counterable than Force Push). Vader basically has Jotun's power but he can only throw common figures. It has a lot of give and take that balances it out, IMO. Hoplitron would be the only one that's comparable, but he's got bonding.

Like I've said, it all balances. The only time Drake and Solo are gonna get dunked by a Force User is if they are stupid enough to stand in within two straight spaces of lava.

[superfrog]

@Dysole There's always the Drow Chainfighter, who just needs 9+. Of course, it has to be the same level, so it doesn't work on many maps, but the range (3 spaces, 6 levels) is pretty good. And then there's the Wyvern, who has automatic lava dunking (again, same level required for him to land on). If you want to be very technical, a Warforged Soldier can lava dunk with Tactical Switch, as long as they survive the lava themselves.

(Sorry for the continued hijack, but I think it's helpful to realize that all previous lava-dunkers have a significant restriction. To have Mastery be able to dunk figures in lava would be unprecedented in that way.)

[Dysole]

Originally Posted by superfrog

@Dysole There's always the Drow Chainfighter, who just needs 9+. Of course, it has to be the same level, so it doesn't work on many maps, but the range (3 spaces, 6 levels) is pretty good. And then there's the Wyvern, who has automatic lava dunking (again, same level required for him to land on). If you want to be very technical, a Warforged Soldier can lava dunk with Tactical Switch, as long as they survive the lava themselves.

(Sorry for the continued hijack, but I think it's helpful to realize that all previous lava-dunkers have a significant restriction. To have Mastery be able to dunk figures in lava would be unprecedented in that way.)

Yes well both Wyvern and DC need same level which hampers them a lot more than a d20 roll does. I'm told to just stay two spaces away from lava. It's not always as easy as you'd think.

~Dysole, who feels a little bad about making such a big stink about this but feels if it doesn't happen now it'll happen later after even more HoSS cards are out

[Sheep]

First of all, don't feel bad.

Ok, secondly, remember that Force Push has to move the figure farther away, so while all of those spots are targets for lava dunking, figures in the SZ spots probably aren't gonna be dunked unless the opponent rushes in with his force user.

Also, except for the shadows and the level 3 lava, all of those spots can be surpassed by 5-move figures on Turn 1.

And even still, if we were doing a Jotun chart on that map, you'd be covering even more spaces.

The only thing I would warn us (HoSS) doing would be going bonding to multiple Force Push heroes. I was pushing for bonding on Yoda and now that we're having this discussion, I'm glad we didn't, but that's the only thing I can think of.

Obviously each map is going to be different. Not every army and every map in a tournament is going to have a force user and lava, so I still think it's not a huge issue.

[Porkins]

I think the map image you posted blows it out of proportion since it also depends upon where the figure using Force Push is standing. The figure using Force Push has to do some planning with their movement to be able to set up a lava dunk push just like a Wyvern has to do. If they are not careful, they could end up like this:

[Dysole]

All right. I've made myself heard. It is very possible I'm overestimating the concern but my experience with C3G has made me very aware how powerful figure movement is. Since I know Force Push will be showing up again and again I'd like to head it off now before it requires revamping a ton of cards. I could be wrong but I am of the opinion that Force Push is undercosted at the minimum. Carry on.

~Dysole, who will say that Yoda's first power is very cool

[Not User Name]

This is probably a terrible question, but is a tree an object?

[TREX]

Originally Posted by Not User Name

This is probably a terrible question, but is a tree an object?

For traditional scape, it is part of the terrain. But if you wanted to go further, I know that C3G and/or Grishnack has made some destructible object cards for evergreen trees.

[Porkins]

Yoda cannot move trees, ruined wall, castle walls, etc. As TREX says, they are terrain. The term Objects refers to Destructible Objects such as the Crate, Container and Chemical Canister. We have more Destructible Objects planned.

[Fi Skirata]

HoSS Synergy benefits received:

• 2-1B : Rebel Field Medic
Being a Unique non-droid or vehicle that follows the Rebel Alliance, Yoda may benefit from 2-1B's REBEL FIELD MEDIC special power.