Green Wyrmling discussion and playtesting

[Lazy Orang]

Can I put this suggestion up again:

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I still like the idea of having to roll the D20 if you would normally Counterstrike and it only working if you roll a 11+, as I posted before:

I don't really see Necroblade's point of it being too far removed from the parent dragon's power - it's exactly the same, except it only works half the time.

[dok]

As I've said many times, I don't really see the point of a nerf like this when it doesn't really target Raelin synergy. At no point has it been argued that the GWs are too strong when not backed by Raelin. This isn't horrible in principle, but other nerfs (1 wound max, huge or large/huge only) give us the fledgling feel in a way that seems more thematic to most of us.

[Dysole]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

Can I put this suggestion up again:

Counterstrike with a d20 roll feels so weird to me. None of the other wyrms bring in another mechanic to make their power work. Reds can only hit one figure, blacks roll is higher and just auto wounds. Whites have a lesser ISB. Blues have a lesser LBSA. Counterstrike with a d20 feels thematically weird to me.

~Dysole, who thinks we'll be fine with a 4 defense 1 wound max wyrmling (small and medium wouldn't be a problem either)

[caps]

Originally Posted by Arrow Grut

I'm not totally getting this. What makes a strong version of these guys any worse than TSA x a billion plus Raelin? If we made the little CSers really weak against specials and range or something (perhaps giving them 4 move and a modified version of Wyrm bonding that allows only one attack per OM) they'd be as balanced and as situational as the TSA, even more so force army variety (all melee is gutsy but it's still very lackluster in terms of play) and add more to the "well shoot I have to make the most of all my units" feel you get when you play an all Wyrmling army?

Here is the review that killed the original Green Wyrmling submission. Flying, plus a 4th defense die (plus a 5th defense die, in that version), and a Valiant personality gives them mobility and synergy the TSA lack.

[Gurei-Ornery]

Originally Posted by Ixe

I do appreciate the interesting ideas being shared but I don't think it's being channeled in the right direction.

Ideas going in every direction must therefore include the right direction. (was that Confucius?)

[ollie]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

Here is the review that killed the original Green Wyrmling submission. Flying, plus a 4th defense die (plus a 5th defense die, in that version), and a Valiant personality gives them mobility and synergy the TSA lack.

Looking at that review, simply dropping the defence to 4 and increasing the price to 35pts might be enough. Is there any reason to think it wouldn't be?

[Unhinged Manchild]

Originally Posted by ollie

Looking at that review, simply dropping the defence to 4 and increasing the price to 35pts might be enough. Is there any reason to think it wouldn't be?

Yea, I read that review, but that was with the 3/5 wyrm?

I think the 4/4 wyrm is great! If dropping defense to 4 was a big point, why not try 3/4 then?

[Ixe]

It isn't packing much for offense with only three attack. Outside of defensive Raelin pods, there's not much point in running them over other wyrmlings in my opinion. In Raelin pods, you're going to be relying on other attacks for your order markers in the first place.

[dok]

It's time:



I will post results.

[Kinseth]

I voted
4/4
Max 1 wound Counterstrike
Still has bonding.

Plain simple, bam!

[johnny139]

Originally Posted by Kinseth

I voted
4/4
Max 1 wound Counterstrike
Still has bonding.

Plain simple, bam!

Same here - though I also checked off the "on a whiff" clause, which I think is the only choice out of those that feels at all elegant.

[ollie]

And me. Additional tweaks I'd be perfectly happy with to keep the price down are dropping the attack to 3 and restricting it to small/medium figures.