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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
Woah, I'm so confused by all this. I've always played them like the Monks, you get to move 3 of them and each of those three may move normally or with Traverse. That's the only way I can really see the power. Especially the last line, by Dok's Interpretation as long as one DT was next to a glacier, every single one of them could teleport next to it from anywere on the map
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
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-Rulings and Clarifications- - GLACIER TRAVERSE : Proper Movement Can a Dzu-Teh Glacier Traverse across several Glacier Mountains in one turn if they are all connected? No, the wording of the power states “any unoccupied space adjacent to that Glacier Mountain”. You can only Glacier Traverse across one mountain per move. (Hasbro FAQ) I believe (Dok correct me if I'm wrong) he's saying that you can move one DT with Traverse and the others normally. Then you can attack with the squad regardless of how they moved. Or at least that's how I play it. Just when you thought it was all right, someone made it alright. Good trades with - Porkins / xraine69 / mac122 (x2) / frylock / Ztimster (x2) and probably others I forgotten to mention...sorry. Last edited by AMIS; December 28th, 2012 at 09:08 AM. Reason: Playing these guys is awesome! Doesn't help me win but it is a lot of fun. |
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The more I think about this wording on this ability, though, especially in light of the FAQ clarifications, the more confident I feel that the=that. If "the" Dzu-Teh really does mean all Dzu-Teh, then the FAQ ruling would actually constitute errata, since the card itself would be saying "if at least one of your Dzu-Teh is next to a glacier, then all of your Dzu-Teh can traverse to it." Under the "the=all" interpretation, there would not be a hint anywhere on the card that each Dzu-Teh's eligibility is determined individually: If a [any one] Dzu-Teh is adjacent to a Glacier Mountain, the Dzu-Teh [all of them] may Glacier Traverse instead of moving normally. You may do this with any or all Dzu-Teh you control each turn [no other requirements are given]. To Glacier Traverse, move to any unoccupied space adjacent to that Glacier Mountain [the same one for all figures].Note that it explicitly gives you permission to move all the Dzu-Teh you control, without requiring the rest of them to be adjacent to a glacier. If the argument is that the initial requirement applies to any one figure and the result applies to all the figures, then I cannot escape this conclusion. So these would seem to be our choices when trying to understand this mess:
Also, note this apparent self-contradiction: "the Dzu-Teh [all of them] may Glacier Traverse instead of moving normally." It would be impossible for 4 or 9 Dzu-Teh to traverse instead of moving normally because it is illegal for 4 or 9 Dzu-Teh to move normally in the first place. I'm now questioning the assertion that you can traverse more than three figures. The FAQ doesn't say you can, so I'm starting to wonder if the "any or all figures you control" really means "any or all figures you are moving." In other words, they wrote "any or all" assuming that it was already understood that each DT's eligibility was already individually determined by having to give up a normal move in order to traverse. Good traders: tdemirji, AbsintheAddict, Blubberguy22, Toa Matoro, SuperSamyon, Bl1ndsn1per, Ericth74,
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
Wow, I never understood that you could move all Dzu-teh you control...even after all this time I learn I've been playing a unit wrong...go figure.
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
Here's one of the few times I think that dok's interpretation of a power is incorrect. Just like the Shaolin Monks, only 3 Dzu-Teh can Glacier Traverse per turn, and you have to attack with those Dzu-Teh. This is because of the key "instead of moving normally" part. "Any or all Dzu-Teh you control may Glacier Traverse" means, to me, any or all of the three Dzu-Teh you are moving that turn may:
If [that] Dzu-Teh is adjacent to a Glacier Mountain, [...] move to any unoccupied space adjacent to that Glacier Mountain. I could be wrong, but that's what I get when I compare this wording to Stealth Leap. It's also, IMO, the interpretation that makes the most sense (which makes me think it's right). |
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I'm 99 percent sure the power is intended to be roughly the same as stealth leap, it is either that or magic teleporting super monkeys. My Repaints and Mods: Updated 1-13 My Custom Cards: Updated 4-15 My Custom Superheroes: Updated 1-13 My figure images for online games: Alliance figures, Utgar figures My Etsy Store |
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
It seems pretty obvious that if a Dzu-Teh is adjacent to a glacier, then the the refers to that Dzu-Teh.
If a [any one] Dzu-Teh is adjacent to a Glacier Mountain, the Dzu-Teh [adjacent to the mountain] may Glacier Traverse instead of moving normally. You may do this with any or all Dzu-Teh you control each turn [no other requirements are given]. To Glacier Traverse, move to any unoccupied space adjacent to that Glacier Mountain [that the Traversing Dzu-Teh is adjacent to]. I think the real argument is whether you can move and attack with some Dzu-Teh and Glacier Traverse with others. Tournament Armies Played - C3VRP - Customs - Trades I'm Krug in the Paradox Keep and Augamo on the Sacred Tundra. |
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
Glacier Traverse replaces the normal move. If you Glacier Traverse a Dzu-Teh it has moved and is one of the figures that can attack that turn.
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Wow, lots here. Turns out that everyone interprets this differently.
I have dropped R˙chean a PM; hopefully he can lend some insight into the intent of things. Quote:
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However, if you can only move three, and you just choose whether those three traverse or move normally, then I'm quite confident that you can only attack with the three that moved, even if some of those moves are traverse moves. I assume that's what you meant but you weren't completely clear. Quote:
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I disagree; that makes the lease sense to me of all of the options being considered. Either Traverse is replacing all normal movement, or it's an option for each activated DT up to the maximum of three. |
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I suspect "the" is used instead of "that" to keep from implying that the entire ability was tied to that specific figure. Imagine a situation where two Dzu-Teh figures were adjacent to two different Glacier Mountains. You could argue then the use of "that" would tie the ability for that turn to one specific Glacier Mountain adjacent to a specific figure and the next sentence simply meant that multiple Dzu-Teh adjacent to that Glacier Mountain could traverse. So yeah, plainly spoken I think that any given figure can either use their move number or use glacier traverse and that either counts as that figure's movement. ~Aldin, frigidly He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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Re: The Book of Dzu-Teh
This was almost certainly the intent, and how I would play it. The wording is ambiguous though.
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