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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Sent!
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Intangibility covers the engagement strikes! I'm thinking it should be a single use power, so hopefully not having that leaving engagement language won't be an issue for future designs.
I wish they could all be Rainbow Rolls, personally, though I did have something called "Eating Nemo" once that was delicious. Thanks, David! Cheers, Bats Quote:
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
I'm thinking he compares well to Martian Manhunter at 300. That's probably where I'll start him right now!
If Obsidian is adjacent to any one other figure and only that figure, whether it's an enemy figure (and thus an engagement) or not, that figure is Enveloped. So it can be good or bad for his team. Cheers, Bats Quote:
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (OBSIDIAN) - THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them. PASS - MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game. PASS - BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding. PASS - SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak. PASS - POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any. PASS - FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play. PASS - FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against. PASS - DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting. PASS - USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable. PASS - STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game. PASS Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes. - What should be the unit's point value? 280ish. - Give a brief overview. I could possibly see a bit of wiggle room here, depending on how valuable or not he is for his armies, but 280 feels closest after the heavy hitters.
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_____________________________________________________________ Squad Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes. - What should be the unit's point value? 310? - Give a brief overview. Intangibility and his other powers proved much more useful against squads who were relatively easy to hit and run. Obsidian showed some prominence here, but the dice also favored him. Map: Custom Units: Obsidian vs. Hawkmen of Thanagar x3 (300)
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_____________________________________________________________ Squad Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes - What should be the unit's point value? 310? - Give a brief overview. This was a bit more of a grind, but with uneven terrain, Obsidian had the decided advantage. Only the superior numbers here gave the Amazons a chance. Map: Custom Units: Obsidian vs. Amazon Warriors x3 (300)
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_____________________________________________________________ Army Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes - What should be the unit's point value? 260-270? - Give a brief overview. Obsidian didn’t do much to help his allies here other than a little bit of damage. Map: Custom Units: Obsidian (280), Martian Manhunter (300), Green Arrow (Oliver) (150), Atom (50), Green Arrow (Connor) (130), Speedy (Roy) (90) (1,000) vs. Joker (140), Harley Quinn (130), Beat Cops x2 (130), White Martians x4 (600) (1,000)
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_____________________________________________________________ Army Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes - What should be the unit's point value? 280 - Give a brief overview. He didn’t get much use out of his attacks, but his speed and flying and disengage helped him take out Invisible Woman and then finish off her allies. Map: Custom Units: Obsidian (280), Batman (250), Mole Man (100), Moloids x17 (170), Weather Wizard (100), Robin (Dick) (100) (1,000) vs. Mister Fantastic, Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Thing (1,000)
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
I find the concept of Enveloped very interesting. You can use it on your opponent's figures to wound them, but they become Intangible. You can use it on your own figures, but they could take damage. There are some very interesting ways to build this guy.
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Updated through squad tests. He's feeling like 280 so far. I'll hopefully be able to get in army tests tomorrow.
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
HH's looked 280, but he dominated vs squads and those were melee squads, so Intangibility didn't matter. But then again, those squads were melee (except for spear volley) and Hawkmen had some synergy they couldn't use from their card, but still something to keep in mind. He's a single attacker and taking down squaddies like that is no small potatoes.
He could provide added benefit for a teammate by enshrouding them for part of a round to protect them from ranged attack like Shadowcat, though either he or the teammate will need to move before the end of the round to prevent possible friendly fire. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Well Intangibility did help him stay at range and get height thanks to the free disengage, and there were quite a few times Spear Volley would have helped the Amazons, since he moved to a spot on the map where they were restricted to one attack at a time. I could see him going up to 290 if he proves helpful to his allies in army tests. At the same time, I think getting wounds with Enveloped in Shadows will be a lot harder to do in army tests. We'll see, though! I think 280-290 is probably the range right now, though if he tanks the army tests, 270 is in play, and if he's incredible in army tests, 300 is in play.
C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Yeah, HH and squad tests help get ballpark cost, but army tests will nail it down as working with others and sharing OM's etc. give a better picture of value.
Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Playtests all wrapped up, 24 hours on the clock. I like him at 280 for the public tests. Hopefully the public testers can figure out how to use his powers more efficiently than I can!
I would like to make one change, making his shadow dropping trigger before moving rather than before taking a turn, so that he can drop the shadow tiles when moved by Martian Manhunter, etc. Thoughts appreciated! C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Pre-Yea for testing at 280 and the before moving for dropping acid..er' I mean shadow tiles sounds like a good idea too.
Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Re: The Book of Obsidian - Design Phase
Pre-Yea from me also.
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