Watching heroscape grow up

[Sherman Davies]

Of course Heroscape is a wargame. It's always been a wargame. In fact, that's why I love it so much. As a gamer who always liked to ogle the cool looking displays of "hard core" wargames like Warhammer 40K, but never had the time, money or inclination to buy, paint and build endless armies and terrain, Heroscape is a godsend. I even tried to get into Heroclix as a cheap wargame back when it came out, but now Marvelscape has even rendered that unnecessary. I love you, Heroscape.

[DingoDarkly]

Originally Posted by ej

HS isn't a Wargame.

Wargamers are elitist nerds.

We're cool.

Only some of us are.

[Sherman Davies]

DarkSpade, even though I agree with you about HS being a wargame, I have to disagree with a couple of your points:

Originally Posted by DarkSpade

But war gaming is expensive!

How much have you spent so far?

Not as much as I could have.

Originally Posted by DarkSpade

War games constently come out with new versions every few years!

Heroscape is only about 3 years old, and it's on its third rule book. We also get new rules everytime a new terrain set comes out.

The rule books I assume you're referring to (ROTV, SOTM, Marvel) contain almost exactly the same rules - any changes have been negligible. As for terrain rules, they're also laughably minor.

Besides, I don't think any of those things (cost, painting, FAQs and new editions, etc...) are what define wargames. If it's a strategic or tactical game about groups of pieces fighting each other, to me that's a wargame. All other differences between, say, HS and Warhammer 40K are differences in degree, not direction.

[nerdyninja]

Originally Posted by LilNewbie

I don't want to grow up.

I want to be young forever...



Newb.

then to the fountain of youth my friend

[LilNewbie]

Originally Posted by nerdyninja

then to the fountain of youth my friend

Aww...you always make me leave when the grown ups start talking....



Newb.

[Revdyer]

I played my first war game (Avalon Hill's "Tactics II") in 1960. (This should make you guys complaining about being "old" feel good.)

I see HeroScape (and describe it to people who ask what it is) as "a fantasy war game," often adding that line about "chess meets Yahtzee." I love that I can play a game in forty minutes rather than five hours (which is what the last game of Johnny Reb miniatures I played took). It is an "impressionistic war game." That's what I love about it.

As to other minatures and HS? They can give you lead contamination. HS, though...uh oh, wait! don't put HS in your mouth!

[Purplebeard]

Originally Posted by Revdyer

I played my first war game (Avalon Hill's "Tactics II") in 1960. (This should make you guys complaining about being "old" feel good.)

I see HeroScape (and describe it to people who ask what it is) as "a fantasy war game," often adding that line about "chess meets Yahtzee." I love that I can play a game in forty minutes rather than five hours (which is what the last game of Johnny Reb miniatures I played took). It is an "impressionistic war game." That's what I love about it.

As to other minatures and HS? They can give you lead contamination. HS, though...uh oh, wait! don't put HS in your mouth!

I consider The Rev to be the David Carradine of this board.

[hex706f726368]

Originally Posted by Purplebeard

I consider The Rev to be the David Carradine of this board.

That is just begging someone to put together a "Kill Rev Vol. 1 or 2" movie poster.

[Renquist]

Originally Posted by Purplebeard

Except the wonderful Mt Carradine is a pompous twit.

Anyways - HS is a turn based strategy game. That means it belongs in the war-game genre.

I'm familiar with WarHammer but got into HS because Citadel products are just far too overpriced these days. I prefer their goods, not their prices (there's a difference between white metal and lead btw, haven't seen a lead mini in years.).

HS is just plain fun and something most anyone can get into. If it ever lacks for depth, you can still make good use of your investment.

I consider The Rev to be the David Carradine of this board.

[bad_calvin]

Originally Posted by Revdyer

I played my first war game (Avalon Hill's "Tactics II") in 1960. (This should make you guys complaining about being "old" feel good.)

I see HeroScape (and describe it to people who ask what it is) as "a fantasy war game," often adding that line about "chess meets Yahtzee." I love that I can play a game in forty minutes rather than five hours (which is what the last game of Johnny Reb miniatures I played took). It is an "impressionistic war game." That's what I love about it.

As to other minatures and HS? They can give you lead contamination. HS, though...uh oh, wait! don't put HS in your mouth!

so you were gaming when 3m was still making games? heh. I have a good collection of 3m games, and old avalon hill stuff. I was not playing in the 60's though. I started in the 80's. Anyway, I agree with all you said, and just want to add that HS is actually eaiser to get people to try then draggin out, tape measures, thick rule books, codex's, downloads, templates, etc.

[nyys]

As much as I love HS, there's still something to be said of a more complex game system like 40K. Though the price is most certainly not right when it comes to anything Games Workshop.

Add in the fact that I like to play the game and not paint and assemble miniatures (I actually HATE that part), it was very easy to make the switch to HS. I'll still play 40K, I just don't know when that will be...

[Revdyer]

Originally Posted by bad_calvin

HS is actually eaiser to get people to try then draggin out, tape measures, thick rule books, codex's, downloads, templates, etc.

It's the tape measures that turn people off, I'm convinced. Now, I personally like tiny tape measures, but they aren't my exact idea of fun. I'd much rather count...one...two...up three...four...etc.