C3G Mapmaking - "Competitive" Discussion

[IAmBatman]

A suggestion makes sense to me.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Cavalier

But if it is set as a rule, then it would eliminate those creative possibilities. If it is a suggestion, then it might not hamper creativity. I agree that, in general, especially with supers, start zones need to be wide spread, but I can't agree to making it a hard, fast rule because there are reasons to use exceptions.

I think I see your point. And that is why I have tried to avoid having this conversation about setting parameters for Competitive maps.

[Cavalier]

Originally Posted by Griffin

I think I see your point. And that is why I have tried to avoid having this conversation about setting parameters for Competitive maps.

I think most of us involved can agree on many of the points. And by setting 'guidelines' rather than 'rules' on some aspects, that as long as the creative/group can justify them are acceptable deviations from the norm, that we should, indeed, be able to define more succinctly what a competitive Supers map is.

• Equal terrain opportunity for all types of figures, meaning there is no place on the Battlefield that one unit can get to on its own, but another cannot
• Equal attack opportunity for all types of figures, meaning there is no place on the Battlefield where a unit can be in a position to attack, but never be attacked back by certain figures (like a high poll that melee attackers cannot attack a figure if that figure is on top)
• Equal start zone opportunity for each opposing army, meaning each start zone has the same amount of spaces as its opposing army
• Standardized start zone numbers, meaning 24 hexes (the most common standard) for each start zone
• Standardized start zone spacing, meaning that opposing start zones will always generally be at least 13 spaces away from each other unless theme/mechanics of the map dictate otherwise.

[Griffin]

Good stuff Cav. And I do like the use of the term "guide lines" as opposed to rules. I think one of my selling points to get you in this group initially was to keep things loose and free for artistic exploration, and I don't want to make this project too confining for our members (like you) to the point of not wanting to participate. Your too valuable IMO.

[Cavalier]

After all, if you get too restictive, you can't do crazy things, like this:

[Griffin]

Must... go.... play .... now.

[Cavalier]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Must... go.... play .... now.

More photos here: http://heroscapers.com/community/sho...&postcount=138

Hoping to try again tonight with more reasonable armies (see the link for the why on that)

[A3n]

Originally Posted by Cavalier

After all, if you get too restictive, you can't do crazy things, like this:

What??

You think that's something special or something? Huh, well do ya?

Well let me tell you,

It darn well is, but I can't rep you damn it! I gotta find out who I can rep, this is getting crazy. Maybe I need to keep a list of people I have repped so I know what order I have repped them in & who to hit again to get up to you.

Great work as always Cav.

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

You're always welcome to try me again, A3n.

[Griffin]

Oooh Ooooh I'm open!

[A3n]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

You're always welcome to try me again, A3n.

Yep tried that.

Originally Posted by Griffin

Oooh Ooooh I'm open!

And that.

[EternalThanos86]

Like what we have so far, but I see something missing. I think we need some sort of clause that talks about competitive maps not giving an overt advantage to one specific power or ability, for example ranged/flying. Thoughts?

Spoiler Alert!

A C3G Competitive Map will include:
• Equal terrain opportunity for all types of figures, meaning there is no place on the Battlefield that one unit can get to on its own, but another cannot.
• Equal attack opportunity for all types of figures, meaning there is no place on the Battlefield where a unit can be in a position to attack, but never be attacked back by certain figures (like a high poll that melee attackers cannot attack a figure if that figure is on top).
• Equal start zone opportunity for each opposing army, meaning each start zone has the same amount of spaces as its opposing army.
• Standardized start zone spacing, meaning that opposing start zones will generally be at least 13 spaces away from each other unless theme/mechanics of the map dictate otherwise.