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Re: Selene - Design Phase

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT SELENE

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit too powerful or too weak.
PASS –

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS.

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS-

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS –

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS – .

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS -.

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? .Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 360
- Give a brief overview. .. Selene has a variety of tools at her disposal, depending on the situation. Early on she wants to take advantage of her huge attack, and may continue until she goes below attack of 4. Then she has to resort to IOC9 or Psychic Vampire if the opponent is within 1 or 2 wounds from death. It's certainly more advantageous for her to attempt it with only 1 die, but when she's desperate, she has to try it with 2 dice but hasn't succeeded yet with that, which is good in a way to show that while it can be devastating, it's also hard to do. GL's would be wise to keep away and use range against her, as well to keep out adjacency with her. Magical Defense is huge for her vs. single attack heavy hitters.



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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? .YES
- What should be the unit's point value? 360
- Give a brief overview. .Thugs were certainly in their element here in order to get attacks of 3 on her and usually with 4 attacks per turn. That helped to whittle her down. Reducing her attack and move isn't as devastating vs. squads as her ace in the hole vs. them is Inanimate Object Control 9. She killed 5 of 6 in or near their SZ early on. She exposed herself though to the advanced Thugs that were spread out, but she wanted to get the most bang for her buck right away. She didn't have as much luck later but took out 1 here or there with IOC9. She tried to kill one and reduce her wounds, but missed and they finished her off.

Map: .X Marks the Spot with 2 Parked 18-Wheelers
Units: Selene vs. Thugs x 4 +3 for 356 points.


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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? .YES
- What should be the unit's point value? 360
- Give a brief overview. . Selene was able to max her threat range by using the front of an 18-Wheeler that was 6 spaces from her to affect 2 SP's with one 9 spaces from her and the other 10 spaces from her. They didn't see that coming She was hitting pretty good with IOC9 since she just had to choose a space on a terrain piece to affect them. The SP had one good turn with like 5 attacks, but that was it. 3 figure squad with attack of 2 isn't great vs. her unless they can gang up for like 6 attacks or have height.

Map: . X Marks the Spot with 2 Parked 18-Wheelers
Units: Selene vs. Science Police x 4 for 340 points.



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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No?.YES
- What should be the unit's point value? .360
- Give a brief overview.. .Single attacking Sentinels didn't have enough to deal with multiple activations from Prof X. The X-Men won initiative like crazy early on and that really cost the opposing team. Selene got height from Storm's Gale Force to get onto warehouse and other roof. She used normal attack a couple times with height early on to take out a Sentinel. Getting free activations from Prof X made her extra deadly. She killed 1 Thug with Psychic Vampire to lose a wound, she killed 7 Thugs with IOC9, she put 3 wounds on Sentinels with IOC9, she put 2 wounds on Black Mask with IOC9 and put 6 wounds on Sandman with IOC9 because he kept healing them after she put them on. She also killed 1 Sentinel with 2 normal attacks with height because Storm got her on the roof of the warehouse with Gale Force Winds. That also made her harder to wound. A faster flyer would have been able to get up there to deal with her, but the Sentinels were too slow and the Thugs did what they could from below to chip away at her. Storm was a great help early on and then Colossus and Wolverine wrapped it up. A Sentinel had some terrible 1 skull rolls vs. Prof X that didn't even force him to burn the X. Then later on near the end, Sandman stormed over Prof X for a second time but misses the autowound to kill Prof X. That would have lost the X team the last turn and maybe Sandman could have had some luck. But ultimately the opponents just had bad luck vs. Prof X and Selene became a non-major threat because of her move and attack restrictions with her wounds, so Colossus, Wolvie and Prof X had to be the main concerns, but that left Selene alone to IOC9 a lot to do a wound here and there.

Map: X Marks the Spot with 2 Parked 18-Wheelers
Units: . Selene (360) Wolverine (280) Colossus (280) Storm (220) Prof X (220) and Angel (90) for 1430 points. Vs. Sentinels x 4 (640) Thugs x 3 (225) Sandman (210) The Hood (180) Black Mask (100) and Trapster (75) for 1430 points.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? .YES
What should be the unit's point value? .360 -370
Give a brief overview. .Despite the outcome, it really could have gone the other way, but Shang-Chi was pretty useless and only put 2 wounds on Tigra. Though Moon Knight over-performed by giving lots of auto wounds (4), Cap (2) and Diamondback (1). Commander Rogers was mostly used for OM flex and otherwise just put final wound on Tigra and 1 on Cap with Photonic Energy Shield. He took 4 quick wounds in one turn though from an ticked off Tigra that had 3 attacks of 6 boosted by Cap and some wounds. Diamondback only attacked once, but put final wound on Shang-Chi. Doctor Strange was the real disappointment as he really struggled with dice rolls when he had several attacks with height vs. Cap and only managed 2 single wound attacks on him, with one being the final wound. I had hoped he'd be in better shape at the end to deal with Selene and bypass her defense, but his 3 skull attack was blocked with 3 shields where he had a chance to put final 2 wounds on her and only have him with 5 wounds and Rogers with 4 wounds vs. 1 wound Diamondback. But he missed and Selene used PV to take his life and go down to 3 wounds and was able to finish Rogers off. Overall, it really could have gone the other way, but Strange was having some of the worst 5 and 6 dice attack rolls vs. Cap and then Selene comes up huge with 3 shields vs. 3 skulls at the end.

Map: .The Broken Skyline
Units: .Selene (360) Cap (240) Tigra (170) and Diamondback (160) for 930 points. Vs. Doctor Strange (300) Commander Rogers (250) Shang-Chi (230) and Moon Knight (150) for 930 points.
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I could see her go up to 370, but reducing her IOC range to 4 or 5 even might help keep her down in cost to 350-360. It might be a good idea to lower that range anyway, considering how she can bypass GL's and Flash so easily.

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Re: Selene - Design Phase

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INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within 2 spaces of a space on a terrain piece, a destructible object or obstacle such as ruins that is within 6 spaces of Selene, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.
May want to consider a change to something like that above as a terrain piece can be a whole 24 hex piece. That would be crazy range. The way I played it when she used it with a terrain piece was to choose a space on the terrain piece and figures 2 spaces from there were affected.

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Re: Selene - Design Phase

Sounds like a good change. Good thought, Hambone!

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Re: Selene - Design Phase

I have good thoughts once in a while. I hate to waste them on real life situations so I can use them here..... where it counts.

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Re: Selene - Design Phase

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INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within 2 spaces of a space on a terrain piece, a destructible object or obstacle such as ruins that is within 6 spaces of Selene, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.
Would either if these two sound better than the one I suggested above a few posts back?

INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within 2 spaces of a chosen space on a terrain piece, a destructible object or obstacle such as ruins that is within 6 spaces of Selene, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.

INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within 2 spaces of a single space on a terrain piece, a destructible object or obstacle such as ruins that is within 6 spaces of Selene, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.

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Re: Selene - Design Phase

Why even say on a terrain piece? Why not just say any single space? I'm pretty sure water tiles are still considered terrain, if you were trying to let it not use water.
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Re: Selene - Design Phase

Is 360 points a good place for her? Is she on-par with cosmic and god-like powers like Annihilus and Hercules? I'm not really familiar with the character but it seems kind of high.
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Well if you just have her choose a single space and it affects figures withing 2 spaces, it takes away some extended range potential given by large DO's like the 18-Wheeler, or other DO's that occupy 2+ spaces such as a Parked Car, Sports Car, Ruins, Warehouse etc. etc. Not to mention the theme presented by listing those things separately rather than say "choose a space" and all figures within 2 spaces are affected.

I mean I guess it can still be done and be super elegant, but I don't know if it's a problem to list them the way they are.

Water is a terrain piece, yes.

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Re: Selene - Design Phase

Ah, OK, so the single space should just be applying to the terrain piece section? If so, I think this wording would be clearer:

INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may choose a destructible object, obstacle such as a ruin, or single space on a terrain piece within 6 spaces of Selene. Roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within 2 spaces of the chosen destructible object, obstacle, or space, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.

It's not identical mechanically, but I think it's a lot clearer and would still work.

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Ah, OK, so the single space should just be applying to the terrain piece section? If so, I think this wording would be clearer:

INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may choose a destructible object, obstacle such as a ruin, or single space on a terrain piece within 6 spaces of Selene. Roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within 2 spaces of the chosen destructible object, obstacle, or space, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.

It's not identical mechanically, but I think it's a lot clearer and would still work.
That works for me Bats. It does the same thing but worded with the choosing of a space. Would we need an "on or" where I put it below or not. I only have a minute since I'm heading out very soon, so I didn't have time to research precedents.

INANIMATE OBJECT CONTROL 9
Instead of attacking, you may choose a destructible object, obstacle such as a ruin, or single space on a terrain piece within 6 spaces of Selene. Roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures on or within 2 spaces of the chosen destructible object, obstacle, or space, one at a time. If you roll 9 or higher, the figure receives a wound.

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Yeah, good change.

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