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Old August 11th, 2016, 04:00 PM
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Re: Decision 2016
As I understand it, that gerrymandering is to the benefit of one of the two parties at the expense of the other (and it varies which party is which from instance to instance). The idea is to clump the votes of the opposing party into a smaller number of regions that they'll win overwhelmingly in those while you take narrower victories in a larger number of regions.

A third party that is up even as high as 20% of support will get no seats regardless of gerrymandering without some sort of proportional representation system.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 04:19 PM
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Re: Decision 2016
I am not of the opinion that Trump is completely ignorant and just spouting random racist comments. I think the comments like "there has to be some sort of punishment", "he is the founder of ISIS", "they're sending their rapists" are heavily calculated words that he's using to:

1. gain free publicity
2. gain support from the Barrack HUSSEIN Obama crowd
3. rile up his normal supporters into thinking media is twisting his words

I think he's playing himself as the anti-establishment candidate, and would have had a similar strategy but with democratic ideals if he ran in 2008. He is not running with a goal of implementing any policies, just with the goal of winning the election and technically being president.

I actually think when he started he didn't have the goal of winning, just the goal of stopping Jeb Bush. He just didn't expect the strategy of railing on Jeb Bush in every debate to actually be a path to the nomination, and once it actually was, he decided to stick with it.

Regardless of what you think of Trump, he has definitely changed campaigns forever and it's been completely strategy rather than personality or policy. He's not an ignorant person.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 07:59 PM
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Re: Decision 2016
It is disingenuous to treat the media issue as two equally isolated "bubbles." The fact is that there is a group of one particular sociopolitical persuasion that will, apparently, believe any kind of nonsense, evidence notwithstanding, provided it is consistent with their world view.
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Scary true DS.

What scares me more is that you are in the system and I believe your words.

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Re: Decision 2016
I can honestly say that my dislike for Hillary, and my earnest desire for her to lose this election, has nothing to do with her gender. Just as my dislike for Obama has nothing to do with his race. And remember that there is a fair number of people out there that are willing to vote for Hillary simply because she is a woman.
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Re: Decision 2016
Good timing keglo. I was just thinking about a general post, but I can make what I want to say specific to your post now.

I agree with D_S that there are not two equal and separate bubbles. Trump is an out-and-out liar. Clinton lies about as much as is usual for a politician (including those who you think of as "good" politicians, whatever your political persuasion) which can easily be interpreted as the necessary political games that need to be played (again, this probably applies to whatever politician you think of as most honest).

I see you've moved the charge from dishonesty to dislike. Whichever you'd prefer to address, I am still genuinely and non-snarkily interested in how you reached that opinion, what evidence you used, and what evidence you're looking for between now and November.
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Re: Decision 2016
D_S did clearly outline his reasons based on experience.

You may or may not recall Rob Ford the cracks smoking Chris Farleyesque Mayor of Toronto. He was so bad he became an international embarrassment. Even Rob Ford had years of council experience before going for mayor.

Trump is like voting a hotel manager as your head chef. sure he is a leader and some skills transfer, but I would not try the soup.

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Re: Decision 2016
The rules do not apply to the Clintons. They have reached that level of power. Is that right? Probably not but it is a result of the system.

Using politics to make money is nothing new and has been going on forever.
LBJ was a master of this.
PBS has a great feature on him.

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No, at the worst, your indifference and that of others like you - or, perhaps, your cynicism and that of others like you - will be calamitous for our nation.
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No, at the worst, your indifference and that of others like you - or, perhaps, your cynicism and that of others like you - will be calamitous for our nation.
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Re: Decision 2016
If I don't want to vote for either candidate, I won't vote against either candidate either. I'll vote when I feel that there is someone who deserves it and someone who can put it to use. The third parties unfortunately are not going to win with the big two still around, so I see no reason to vote third party unless I can see that those parties would make a substantial impact in the electoral arena.

I agree that full on, large scale political apathy is calamitous, but my decision to not vote in this one election, rather than every election, is harming nobody.
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I agree that full on, large scale political apathy is calamitous, but my decision to not vote in this one election, rather than every election, is harming nobody.
What's going on down-ticket? Any close races? Any issues in the balance?

And if you want change towards minor parties having a voice, and there's a minor party you agree with even though you don't think they will win, then voting for them is infinitely better than not voting at all when it comes to how you can affect the landscape for 2020. There might even be "hard" benefits like getting on ballots and into televised debates rather in addition to "soft" ones like potentially more media coverage.
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