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Re: The Book of Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker) ~ Vote for Tes
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Originally Posted by quozl
With a d20 power, I like to see a cost pretty nailed down before sending it out. Can you do one more army test with the new stats?
Not for probably 2 weeks or so. I'm in the middle of moving, already packed up all my 'Scape. Was hoping to get this moving along before we started.
At the most, though, it does 2 wounds. Average would be closer to 1. Elektra's SA has a 50% chance to wound 5 different figures. Manchester's is unlimited if he keeps hitting the rolls. I don't know, just lowering the number by two for a wound or two seems like it's not worth it (To me, at least) when the playtesting phase is for that. I'll do it if you really want, but it'll have to wait.
Re: The Book of Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker) ~ Vote for Tes
This passes to Playtesting. (Though, technically, it did when quozl voted "nay." We only require unanimous approval for the final vote. Everything else just requires majority approval.).
I'm good with the text changes you mentioned on the previous page, LP.
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Re: The Book of Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker) ~ Playtesting
Looks like he could definitely go up here. Surprised he hit so many Stinger rolls!
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Originally Posted by darkraptor5413
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Originally Posted by Griffin
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Scarlet Spider Kaine Parker
- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them. Pass
- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game. Pass
- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding. Pass
- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak. Pass
- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any. Pass
- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play. Pass
- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against. Pass
- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting. Pass
- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable. Pass
- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game. Pass
Army Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Pass - What should be the unit's point value? 230 - Give a brief overview.A lot of fun to play. The Cloaking power I didn't get much use out of either game except that Kraven wasn't able to target me for his Bola right off the bat. However his Spider Stinger power was deadly and contributed to thinning out my opponent's ranks. Though I contribute my win mainly to good luck with rolls for Dimension of Darkness and bad rolls for my friend trying to free my captives.
Map: Grundy's Graveyard
Units: Scarlet Spider, Spider-Man (C3G), Cloak, Dagger, Venom (C3G) VS Green Goblin, Kraven, Rhino, Lizard, Shocker
Spoiler Alert!
Kraven chooses Scarlet Spider as his Prey. The game starts out with Scarlet Spider taking the field followed by Goblin, Spider-man, Rhino, Venom, and finally Lizard. Cloak takes the field next then Shocker and Dagger. Goblin advances and Scarlet Spider moves in and engages him and deals two wounds with Spider Stingers. Rhino charges Scarlet Spider and deals him 2 wounds and Scarlet Spider deals another 2 to Goblin with his Stingers. Kraven engages Scarlet and attacks with his nerve punch but is blocked. Spidy moves and Kraven attacks again dealing Scarlet Spidey 1 wound. Spider-Man uses Web Slinger on Kraven dealing a devastating 3 wounds and Rhino deals Scarlet Spider one more wound. Scarlet Spider takes out Goblin and Rhino attacks Scarlet but misses. Cloak advances and sucks Rhino into the Dimension Of Darkness and Lizard attacks Scarlet but misses. Scarlet nails Lizard twice with his Stingers and Kraven attacks Spidy but misses due to Spider Sense. Dagger moves and nails both Lizard and Kraven with her Light Daggers and Lizard heal 2 with Regeneration. Lizard attacks Scarlet taking him out and Cloak takes down Lizard with Dimension of Darkness. Shocker advances and Venom engages Kraven taking him out. Shocker puts up a valiant fight but finally goes down with Venom's Slashing Tendrils. Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spider-Man 0 Wounds, Cloak 0 Wounds, Dagger 0 Wounds, Venom 0 Wounds
Army Test - Does it pass, Yes or No? Pass - What should be the unit's point value? 230 - Give a brief overview.Again tons of fun, still didn't get much use out of the cloaking power but his Stingers made quick work of Carnage and made Symbiotic Senses useless.
Map: Grundy's Graveyard
Units: Scarlet Spider, Spider-Man (C3G), Venom (C3G) VS Green Goblin, Carnage, Kraven
Spoiler Alert!
Kraven choose Scarlet Spider as his Prey. The game started with Carnage moving out followed by Scarlet Spider, Goblin, and Spider-Man. Kraven engaged Scarlet and attacked but was blocked and Venom took the field. Carnage engaged Scarlet and attacked dealing one wound, and Scarlet dealt two to Carnage with his Stingers. Goblin took flight and missed Scarlet with his Pumpkin Bombs. Spider-man moved and opened fire on Kraven but missed. Carnage dealt two more to Scarlet and Scarlet in turn dealt two more to Carnage with his Stingers. Spider-Man used Web Slinger on Kraven dealing two wounds Carnage attacked Scarlet who managed to block. Scarlet took Carnage out with his Stingers and Kraven gets Spidy with his Bola and attacks dealing three wounds. Scarlet engages Goblin and nails him for two with his Stingers and Kraven attacks Spider-man but misses due to Spider-Senses. Scarlet nails Goblin for another two with his Stingers and Goblin deals two to Scarlet. Scarlet takes Goblin down with his Stingers forcing my opponent to skip his next turn. Spidy uses Web Slinger on Kraven dealing him three. He attacks Spidy who evades with Spider-Senses and Venom engages Kraven taking him down. Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spider-Man 3 Wounds, Scarlet Spider 5 Wounds, Venom 0 Wounds
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Re: The Book of Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker) ~ Playtesting
From Viegon!
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Originally Posted by Viegon
I quite enjoyed testing Scarlet Spider, he's fun and makes a wonderful assassin. He fits into a nice variety of armies thanks to his synergies. The design itself worked well.
But, in my games, he was insanely strong; in all three games he killed over his points worth, in the third 300+ points over his own cost. Spider Stingers, paired with his ability to get where he wants and his survivability, is very strong; any major target in the opponent's army that has less then 6 life should tremble in fear anytime Scarlet Spider hits the board. Once you give him a Sidekick or turn him into an Assassin with Shiva and pair him with the Hand Ninja, you've got a force to be reckoned with. Give him Arnim Zola and you could potentially get to use him twice, which is just scary.
I would say that I had strong luck for Scarlet Spider in my games, but I don't feel that accounts for the insane amount of damage he did.
Overall he gets a thumbs-up from me, he just needs a drastic price bump (from my games alone, I'd aim for the 280-320 range).
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Scarlet Spider
- THEME TEST Pass
- MIRROR TEST Pass
- BONDING TEST Pass
- SYNERGIES TEST Pass
- POWER CHECK Pass
- FUN TEST Pass
- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST Pass
- DRAFTING TEST Pass
- USAGE TEST Pass, though Swing Line never saw use in my games, it was because I didn’t play on a very height-heavy map.
Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Tentative Pass - What should be the unit's point value? Much higher than 230 - Give a brief overview. Scarlet Spider made a perfect assassin to start the game. Stealth Suit saved him from a couple attacks and allowed him to get where he wanted, and Spider Stingers was perfect for bringing down John Stewart. The bonus of the auto-wounds was that Stewart didn’t use any markers, meaning Arnim Zola was able to revive the Lantern all markered-up. Despite his team losing to Cable, Scarlet Spider killed 205 points over his own cost.
UNIT SUM-UP Damage: Normal Attack: 3 wounds to Bane. Spider Stingers 9: All 4 wounds to John Stewart. Power Usage/Effectiveness: Stealth Suit: Marker placed 2 times, marker removed 2 times. Fairly useful. Swing Line 4: Used 0 times in 6 turns. Spider Stingers 9: Rolled for 6 times in 6 turns, 9+ rolled 4 times.
QUICK GAME SUMMARY:
While John Stewart flew his pod into position, Scientist Supreme commanded Scarlet Spider to use his Stealth Suit and sneak forward. Cable get the second OM for his team but with Stealth Suit active he didn’t have any targets. Using the road, Scarlet Spider slipped past Cable and used his Spider Stingers to give the Lantern 1 wound. While Cable opened fire on Kaine, slowly giving him wounds, he focused on John Stewart and brought him down by the beginning of the second round. From there he went after Bane and brought him up to 3 wounds before being brought down by Cable. This put the game at the start of the third round, where Arnim Zola brought back the Lantern on his first roll. After winning initiative, Cable charged and killed Scientist Supreme in one turn, losing her team their entire round. Cable spent the rest of the round mostly missing with his attacks. Stewart and Dredd tried to bring down Cable, but except for wounds dealt by Shield Strike they were mostly unsuccessful. Eventually it came down to Arnim Zola and Cable, and after a long battle Arnim Zola came out on top with just 2 life left. After a lucky streak of killing Bane and bringing Mastermind down to 2 life, Arnim fell to the enemy to end the game.
During the First Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Stewart flies out with his team.
ARMY 1: Scientist: Spider uses Stealth Suit and moves up.
ARMY 2: Cable repositions.
ARMY 1: Scientist: Spider puts 1 wound on John Stewart.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 1 wound on Spider.
ARMY 1: Scientist: Spider puts 1 wound on John Stewart.
During the Second Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Scientist: Spider kills John Stewart.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 1 wound on Spider.
ARMY 1: Scientist: Spider puts 1 wound on Bane with his attack.
ARMY 2: Cable fails.
ARMY 1: Scientist: Spider puts 2 wounds on Bane with his attack.
ARMY 2: Cable kills Spider.
During the Third Round: Army 2 wins Initiative (Arnim Zola Clones John Stewart).
ARMY 1: Cable charges and kills Scientist Supreme.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Scientist Supreme.
ARMY 1: Cable fails.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Scientist Supreme.
ARMY 1: Cable removes a Battery.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Scientist Supreme.
During the Fourth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Stewart fails.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 1 wound on Stewart and removes a Battery (taking 1 wound from the Strike).
ARMY 1: Judge Dredd fails.
ARMY 2: Cable removes the last Battery (and takes 1 wound).
ARMY 1: Judge Dredd fails.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 2 wounds on Dredd.
During the Fifth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Judge Dredd fails.
ARMY 2: Cable kills Judge Dredd.
ARMY 1: Turn lost on Judge Dredd.
ARMY 2: Cable kills a Penguin.
ARMY 1: Arnim Zola puts 1 wound on Cable
ARMY 2: Cable puts 1 wound on John Stewart.
During the Sixth Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Cable kills Stewart and puts 2 wounds on Arnim Zola.
ARMY 1: Arnim Zola fails.
ARMY 2: Cable kills a Penguin.
ARMY 1: Arnim Zola fails but transfers his Consciousness into the last Penguin.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 1 wound on Arnim Zola.
ARMY 1: Arnim Zola.
During the Sixth Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Cable fails.
ARMY 1: Arnim fails.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 1 wound on Arnim.
ARMY 1: Arnim fails.
ARMY 2: Cable puts 2 wounds on Arnim.
ARMY 1: Arnim puts 1 wound on Cable.
During the Seventh Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Arnim kills Cable.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Cable.
ARMY 1: Arnim advances.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Cable.
ARMY 1: Arnim kills Bane.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Bane.
During the Eighth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Arnim puts 2 wounds on Mastermind.
ARMY 2: Mastermind kills Arnim Zola.
Mastermind with 2 life left.
The next two games are coming in a separate PM.
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Originally Posted by Viegon
Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Pass - What should be the unit's point value? 230 still seems a tad low. - Give a brief overview. Scarlet Spider again preformed well as an assassin. He charged, with Robin backing him, and was able to kill Cosmic Boy before dying.
UNIT SUM-UP Damage: Normal Attack: N/A Spider Stingers 9: All 4 wounds to Cosmic Boy. Power Usage/Effectiveness: Stealth Suit: Marker placed 1 times, marker removed 1 times. Very useful. Swing Line 4: Used 0 times in 4 turns. Spider Stingers 9: Rolled for 4 times in 4 turns, 9+ rolled 4 times.
QUICK GAME SUMMARY:
Scarlet Spider and Robin teamed-up, but played it slow, relaying on Stealth Suit to allow them to position. Lightning Lad attempted an early strike on the Clone, but could only manage 1 wound. Scarlet Spider ignored him and moved in on Cosmic Boy, and stung him for 2 wounds; meanwhile, Robin put some hurt on Lightning Lad for being so brash and positioning lower. Second round brought an early death to Cosmic Boy from another pair of Spider Stings. Possibly overconfident in his victory, Scarlet Spider wasn’t watching his back; Superboy took advantage of this and brought Kaine Parker down. Rorshach charged forward to join Robin, but neither of their attacks were doing much… until the third round when they finished off Lightning Lad, forcing Superboy to Pull his Punches again. Despite now having a defensive advantage, Robin and Rorshach continued to fail on their attacks. When Robin fell and Rorshach came near death, Alfred did his job and called him back to be healed. Superboy moved in and started his way through the Cops and Nite Owl. Beginning of the fifth round, Brainiac 5 decided to move in with Ragdoll as a distraction, hoping to take wounds so that Superboy would return to his full offensive potential. Not much happened until Superboy’s next turn when he killed Nite Owl and brought Rorshach to the brink of death again. At this point Commander Rogers decided that if he wanted something done he’d need to do it himself. A round long slugfest between him and Superboy ended with Rogers standing victorious. The Commander then moved on to fight Brainiac 5 and Ragdoll, and after two and a half long rounds in which the enemy worked on bringing down Alfred and the Cops, Commander Rogers pulled out the win.
On a side note, this game is actually the second time I played this match-up; the first time Scarlet Spider rolled a total of 1 shield out of three straight defense rolls early in the game, killing him before I got to use him.
During the First Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Spider and Robin advance.
ARMY 2: Cosmic Boy and Lightning Lad advance.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Spider and Robin move forward.
ARMY 2: Superboy and Lightning Lad put 1 wound on Spider.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Spider puts 2 wounds on Cosmic Boy while Robin puts 2 on Lightning Lad.
ARMY 2: Brainiac and Superboy put 2 wounds on Spider.
During the Second Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Spider and Robin kill Cosmic Boy.
ARMY 2: Superboy kills Spider.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Robin fail.
ARMY 2: Superboy puts 3 wounds on Robin.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Robin fail.
ARMY 2: Brainiac puts 1 wound on Rorshach.
During the Third Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Superboy fails.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Robin kill Lightning Lad.
ARMY 2: Superboy puts 1 wound on Rorshach.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Robin fail.
ARMY 2: Superboy fails.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Robin fail.
During the Fourth Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Superboy puts 1 wound on Rorshach.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Alfred uses Remote Field Extraction on Rorshach.
ARMY 2: Superboy kills Robin.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach fails to heal.
ARMY 2: Superboy kills a Cop and puts 3 wounds on Nite Owl.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach (who heals) and Nite Owl fail.
During the Fifth Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Brainiac flies out with Ragdoll.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Nite Owl fail.
ARMY 2: Brainiac fails.
ARMY 1: Rogers: Rorshach and Nite Owl fail.
ARMY 2: Superboy kills Nite Owl and puts 3 wounds on Rorshach.
ARMY 1: Rogers fails.
During the Sixth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Rogers fails.
ARMY 2: Superboy puts 1 wound on Rogers but takes 1 wound from Photonic Energy Shield (PES).
ARMY 1: Rogers puts 1 wound on Superboy.
ARMY 2: Superboy takes a wound from PES.
ARMY 1: Rogers kills Superboy.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Superboy.
During the Seventh Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Rogers dodges a disengagement and puts 1 wound on Brainiac 5.
ARMY 2: Ragdoll kills a Cop.
ARMY 1: Rogers puts 2 wounds on Brainiac 5.
ARMY 2: Ragdoll fails.
ARMY 1: Rogers heals his wound but fails.
ARMY 2: Brainiac puts 1 wound on Alfred.
During the Eighth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Rogers fails.
ARMY 2: Ragdoll puts 1 wound on Alfred.
ARMY 1: Rogers kills Brainiac 5.
ARMY 2: Ragdoll fails.
ARMY 1: Rogers puts 2 wounds on Ragdoll.
ARMY 2: Ragdoll kills the last Cop.
During the Ninth Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Ragdoll kills Alfred.
ARMY 1: Rogers kill Ragdoll.
Army Test 3
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Fail - What should be the unit's point value? Much, much higher than his current cost. - Give a brief overview. Scarlet Spider was crazy this game. He had amazing luck for certain, the amount of times he hit Spider Stingers alone is high. Still, he killed somewhere well over 600 points worth, and it wasn’t like it was an especially good match-up for him or anything.
UNIT SUM-UP Damage: Normal Attack: 1 wound to Bucky. Spider Stingers 9: 4 wounds to Captain America, all 5 wounds to U.S. Agent, 2 wounds to Kid Flash, 2 wounds to Comedian. Power Usage/Effectiveness: Stealth Suit: Marker placed 1 times, marker removed 1 times. Not very useful. Swing Line 4: Used 0 times in 10 turns. Spider Stingers 9: Rolled for 16 times in 10 turns, 9+ rolled 13 times.
Map: Sewer Labyrinth
Units: Scarlet Spider, Lady Shiva, Hand Ninja x3, Typhoid Mary (800 points) VS Captain America (C3G), Bucky, U.S. Agent, Comedian, Kid Flash (800 points)
Spoiler Alert!
QUICK GAME SUMMARY:
The Soldiers rolled all of their team forward together while the Assassins went for, well, an assassination attempt. Scarlet Spider and the Hand Ninja moved in quick and were dealing wounds by middle of the first round. By the end of that round, they’d already given Cap (their target) 3 wounds. An initiative switch allowed Scarlet Spider to finish off Cap, losing the enemy a turn. When the Soldiers did get a turn though, they took advantage of it: U.S. Agent’s shield dealt a wound to Spider and took down a Ninja, while Bucky’s Machine Gun killed 3 more Ninja. From there, U.S. Agent and Bucky focused on Scarlet Spider, but through some strong defense rolls he stayed alive. Entering the third round, Scarlet Spider switched targets and finished off Bucky to remove the opponent’s double-activation. U.S. Agent and Comedian tried to avenge their friend, but couldn't seem to score any hits. Meanwhile, Scarlet Spider, backed by a fresh group of Ninja, tore through the Soldiers, taking down U.S. Agent and bringing the others close to death. A desperate Comedian finally made contact and killed Kaine Parker, but he was quickly finished off by the Ninja (Kid Flash lost a turn to It’s All a Joke). With Typhoid Mary backing up the Ninja, they speedily brought down the Speedster.
Pre-Game: Cap places Avenger Markers on all of his team while Lady Shiva Trains Scarlet Spider.
During the First Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: Cap and Bucky move up.
ARMY 1: Ninja and Typhoid Mary advance.
ARMY 2: US Agent moves out while Bucky guns down a Ninja.
ARMY 1: Spider moves up while the Ninja put 1 wound on Bucky.
ARMY 2: Comedian moves up while Bucky fails.
ARMY 1: Spider and Ninja put 3 wounds on Cap.
During the Second Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Spider kills Cap while the Ninja fail.
ARMY 2: Turn lost on Cap.
ARMY 1: Spider puts 2 wounds on US Agent while the ninja put 2 on Bucky.
ARMY 2: US Agent uses his SA to put 1 wound on Spider and kill a Ninja; Bucky goes crazy and kills 3 nearby Ninja.
ARMY 1: Spider fails while more Ninja advance.
ARMY 2: US Agent and Bucky put 1 wound on Spider.
During the Third Round: Army 2 wins Initiative.
ARMY 2: US Agent and Bucky put 2 wounds on Spider.
ARMY 1: Spider kills Bucky while the Ninja advance.
ARMY 2: US Agent fails.
ARMY 1: Spider puts 2 wounds on US Agent and the Ninja fail.
ARMY 2: Comedian kills a Ninja.
ARMY 1: Spider kills US Agent and puts 1 wound on Kid Flash while the Ninja put 1 wound on Comedian.
During the Fourth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Spider and Ninja put 2 wounds on Comedian.
ARMY 2: Comedian fails.
ARMY 1: Spider and Ninja put 1 wound on Kid Flash.
ARMY 2: Comedian kills Scarlet Spider.
ARMY 1: Typhoid and Ninja kill Comedian.
ARMY 2: Turn lost to It’s All a Joke.
During the Fifth Round: Army 1 wins Initiative.
ARMY 1: Typhoid Mary and the Ninja kill Kid Flash.
Full life Typhoid Mary, full life Lady Shiva, 3 Hand Ninja.
Re: The Book of Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker) ~ Playtesting
So for the most part he had some awesome luck here, too. I'm thinking probably around 250 based on this. I don't really want to tweak his die roll anymore (I still don't understand people's luck here. Moon Knight needs a 9 and rolls against two different people with range, and he's still only 150. )
We still have Megasilver to go, I can suggest around 250. Do we want other changes, or would just that new suggestion work?
August 4th, 2013, 08:25 PM
I'm in the middle of moving, already packed up all my 'Scape. Was hoping to get this moving along before we started. 
I'll do it if you really want, but it'll have to wait.
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