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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (VOTE for Playtesting)
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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (Playtesting Phase)
With Bats and LP on Abstain, this passes! However, I'm going to ask the Sidekicks if they have any interest first, since they'd already have access to Dracula and it'd probably be easier overall to have playtesters with more experience with that unit in particular.
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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (Playtesting Phase)
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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (Playtesting Phase)
First tests in from Viegon! He likes them but says they're a bit overcosted and Blood Callling is a bit underwhelming. Here's a quick idea on how to rectify both of those things, by mixing on some of Walking Dead's power. Seems pretty Dracula like to swoop in from the darkness and strike like that.

BLOOD CALLING
After attacking an opponent's figure, if a Bride of Dracula inflicts one or more wounds with a normal attack, you may move an Undead Lord you control up to 3 spaces. You may then immediately choose one figure that Undead Lord is engaged with and roll 1 unblockable attack die against that figure. Figures moved by Blood Calling will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

Thoughts? Possibly make it so that you can only move an unengaged Undead Lord, or only target previously engaged figures?

EDIT: And here's Viegon's idea for a tweak. Stronger, I think, but less likely to auto-wound, and it lets him trigger his Vampirism.

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BLOOD CALLING
After wounding an opponent's figure with a Bride of Dracula's normal attack, you may immediately move an Undead Lord you control up to 3 spaces. If that Undead Lord ends this movement adjacent to the attacked figure, it may attack that figure with a normal attack. Figures moved by Blood Calling will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
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Here's my report.

I really like what you've got for the Brides. Their simplicity makes them a very easy to use unit, but they have a nice depth of strategy still and add a lot to undead armies.

In my games they seemed weak for 110. It could have just been my dice, but from my games it seemed like they should be more like 90 points. If they consistently show weaker and you're looking for a simple fix, I'd suggest bumping their defense to 5.

I only had one issue with the design as-is when playing: while Blood Calling is a very thematic power, I found it quite underwhelming. Dracula is so fast already, and you really don't want him on the front lines unless you're taking turns with him, so I found I only really wanted to us it once or twice a game. It's not necessarily an issue, but personally I'd like to see it made a little stronger (maybe allow Dracula attack after moving with it as long as he targets the figure that was wounded by the Bride?).

Otherwise, you've got a real solid design here.

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Brides of Dracula

- THEME TEST
Pass

- MIRROR TEST
Pass

- BONDING TEST
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST
Pass

- POWER CHECK
Pass

- FUN TEST
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST
Pass

- USAGE TEST
Tentative Pass, Blood Calling was used, but I found it kind of underwhelming.

- STRATEGY TEST
Pass

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Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Tentative Fail
- What should be the unit's point value? Based on this game, their cost needs to seriously come down.
- Give a brief overview. Let me start with saying that the dice this game were not balanced. The Agents always rolled shields and rarely had a bad attack roll. With dice like the Agents had this game not many units would have been able to face them and win. Still, that said, the Brides essentially did nothing. They got one turn where they flew out and only did 2 wounds to Agent Hunter, but he healed those wounds the next turn and he and the SHIELD Agents killed all 3 Brides that same turn.

UNIT SUM-UP
Damage: 2 wounds to Agent Hunter.
Power Usage/Effectiveness:
Double Attack: The Brides’ got to use their second attacks 3 times.
Blood Calling: Activated 2 times, moved Dracula 2 times.
Stealth Dodge: Came into effect for 1 defense roll.

Map: Island Plane Crash (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Brides of Dracula, Dracula, Silver Banshee, Oracle (1,000 points) VS Nick Fury, SHIELD Agents x3, Dum Dum Dugan, Agent Hunter, Spider-Woman, Skrull Infiltrator x2 (1,000 points)
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Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Tentative Pass
- What should be the unit's point value? Despite doing better this game, 110 still seems too high.
- Give a brief overview. I rematched the last game, and got a lot more balanced luck. Attack and defense dice overall was balanced between the two teams; however, Dracula successfully coming back to life 3 times skewed the results some. The Brides, while a lot more useful this game, still didn’t do very much. I would have been a lot better off filling the army with a different 110 unit.

UNIT SUM-UP
Damage: 1 SHIELD Agent, 6 wounds to Agent Hunter.
Power Usage/Effectiveness:
Double Attack: The Brides’ got to use their second attacks 3 times.
Blood Calling: Activated 5 times, moved Dracula 1 times.
Stealth Dodge: Came into effect for roughly 4 defense rolls.

Map: Island Plane Crash (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Brides of Dracula, Dracula, Silver Banshee, Oracle (1,000 points) VS Nick Fury, SHIELD Agents x3, Dum Dum Dugan, Agent Hunter, Spider-Woman, Skrull Infiltrator x2 (1,000 points)
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Army Test 3
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Pass
- What should be the unit's point value? 110 seems to work for this game.
- Give a brief overview. The Brides got a couple lucky attacks on Green Goblin to score 4 wounds, which easily made up their cost. After that though, they just absorbed a couple of attacks before going down.

UNIT SUM-UP
Damage: 4 wounds to Green Goblin.
Power Usage/Effectiveness:
Double Attack: The Brides’ got to use their second attacks 3 times.
Blood Calling: Activated 2 times, moved Dracula 2 times.
Stealth Dodge: Came into effect for 6 defense rolls.

Map: Island Plane Crash (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Brides of Dracula, Dracula, Silver Banshee, Oracle (1,000 points) VS Joker Goons, Harley Quinn, Creeper, Firefly, Green Goblin, Poison Ivy, Ragdoll (990 points)
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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (Playtesting Phase)
I like that Blood Calling but would like it with the unengaged Undead Lord.
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I like that Blood Calling but would like it with the unengaged Undead Lord.
Agreed. And I like the unblockable die - simplifies things a bit. I don't mind Vampirism not triggering.
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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (Playtesting Phase)
I could go with either version. The auto-wound would be pretty powerful, but not triggering Vampirism, would be a major downside and make for interesting decisions. I was going to suggest a "once-per-turn" restriction, but "unengaged" does that too.
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I was going to suggest a "once-per-turn" restriction, but "unengaged" does that too.
Not if he destroys the one he gives an unblockable wound to.
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Re: The Book of Brides of Dracula (Playtesting Phase)
True, but he would have to be engaged to only that figure and have a Bride deal another wound and he hits the roll. Plus that's only if he chooses to roll instead of waiting for the next turn to allow Vampirism to activate.
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