How will C3V units affect the Metagame?

[Sir Heroscape]

Originally Posted by flameslayer93

Marutuk is good, but fails to rats/any other screen because of LEA’s. She doesn’t get to leave those for free. Compound that with an effictive cost of 200. 8 dice doesn’t mean crap when you only get to use it once...

Good read so far.

Agreed. I find it hilarious that you (OEAO) consider Marutuk that game changing. She’ll fall easily enough to any squadscape army with a competent player. Jotun likes to throw lots of dice as well but he hasn’t broken the game yet, and he can throw and has a multi target SA.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by Sir Heroscape

Agreed. I find it hilarious that you (OEAO) consider Marutuk that game changing. She’ll fall easily enough to any squadscape army with a competent player. Jotun likes to throw lots of dice as well but he hasn’t broken the game yet, and he can throw and has a multi target SA.

You guys realize they have more in their army than just Marutuk, right? Cathar, Cutters, and 10th are all real options to pair with her.

She can use Dismissive Swipe DURING movement, and it's better than Throw by a large margin for that reason. She shouldn't be taking LEAs. She's 30 points cheaper than Jotun, yet has two more life. Comparing her to Jotun is ludicrous; she's closer to Tor-Kul-Na, who's really good. The difference there is your whole army is Torky after adding Grubs, whereas Marutuk fits in with already-good units really easily. I think she's at least an A-.

[All Your Pie]

It's also worth noting that Marutuk isn't the only unit that hard counters Dragons and their like really well. Heracles, Augamo, and the Nhah Scirh are all nigh-impossible for large/huge special attackers to deal with.

I don't know much about counters to heavies or top tier double-blind play, but I do know that I would probably never bring Nilfheim and Greenscales to a VC-inclusive event. VC has a way higher density of SA and large/huge counterdraft figures than classic, all of whom are sitting around B+ or higher.

[Sir Heroscape]

Originally Posted by OrcElfArmyOne

You guys realize they have more in their army than just Marutuk, right? Cathar, Cutters, and 10th are all real options to pair with her.

She can use Dismissive Swipe DURING movement, and it's better than Throw by a large margin for that reason. She shouldn't be taking LEAs. She's 30 points cheaper than Jotun, yet has two more life. Comparing her to Jotun is ludicrous; she's closer to Tor-Kul-Na, who's really good. The difference there is your whole army is Torky after adding Grubs, whereas Marutuk fits in with already-good units really easily. I think she's at least an A-.

Theoryscaping sure, there’s merit to “thinking” about it...but try playing with her, then come back and let’s talk. I think this discussion is best served by those that play with VC units. No offense to the Classic Heroscape Purists, since there is a legitimate place for playing the game that way like it is at Gen Con...and obviously there is a definite draw in playing the game that way.

[OEAO]

Originally Posted by Sir Heroscape

Theoryscaping sure, there’s merit to “thinking” about it...but try playing with her, then come back and let’s talk. I think this discussion is best served by those that play with VC units. No offense to the Classic Heroscape Purists, since there is a legitimate place for playing the game that way like it is at Gen Con...and obviously there is a definite draw in playing the game that way.

You realize I've played with and owned about half of VC, right? As have many "purists".

I'm actually watching two elite players play right now: Knights vs Cathar/Marutuk. Let's see how Marutuk is in a bad matchup.

EDIT: MARUTUK PLAYED POORLY IN A BAD MATCHUP JUST DIED, CLEARLY SHE'S FINE