The Book of Carnage

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Ditto.
And Griff, I was only espousing a height restriction because of Kill Crazy AND Range of 3. With a reduction in Range, I don't feel the height restriction is necessary anymore.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I'm not in favor of a cap. I think Range 2, Attack 5 covers it.

I do agree.

[tcglkn]

I think reducing the range and attack both by 1 was a good call here. Wendigo would also rip through 30+ Moloids easily so I don't see that as a huge problem here.

[IAmBatman]

Not a whole lot of 300 point, 30 startzone space match ups anyway.

[Griffin]

Wendigo has to keep moving in melee combat which means that eventually, Moloids will have height and maybe even some rock/dungeon defense or Wendigo might not be able to reach some due to elevation changes. Also, Wendigo's attack doesn't continue to get stronger and stronger without end. I think the two designs have similar potential, but this one would have been far more devastating, and I feel like dismissing that type of potential as "not a big deal" is not conducive to being careful game designers.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Not a whole lot of 300 point, 30 startzone space match ups anyway.

Maybe in a tournament setting, but "at home games" people don't usually play with those restrictions.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Maybe in a tournament setting, but "at home games" people don't usually play with those restrictions.

And if people want to play a home game with 300 points worth of Moloids versus Carnage, I expect it will be fun, but not very competitive. And I don't think Carnage is breaking any molds there. Nor is it unusual for certain match ups to allow squads to consistently own the hero involved. I don't mind a hero design that occasionally gives it right back to the commons.

[Hahma]

Regarding the 30 Moloid vs. Carnage game. Personally if those were the only units in the game, then whatever, I don't really care what happens. But it does seem like the reduced range and attack should help.

[A3n]

Well if the range is reduced to 2 & since he can't move during the attacks so the most he will be able to attack is 18 & that is 1 figure on every space within 2 spaces of him. But having said that getting +17 dice is a bit crazy. (pun intended )

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I could even possibly see his attack going down to 4 with the ability to build it up so much, but I think it'll probably be OK at 5.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

And if people want to play a home game with 300 points worth of Moloids versus Carnage, I expect it will be fun, but not very competitive. And I don't think Carnage is breaking any molds there. Nor is it unusual for certain match ups to allow squads to consistently own the hero involved. I don't mind a hero design that occasionally gives it right back to the commons.

We know it will be a slaughter... for sure. However, we can and did control how much of a slaughter it will be, and that is important is it not?

Originally Posted by Hahma

Regarding the 30 Moloid vs. Carnage game. Personally if those were the only units in the game, then whatever, I don't really care what happens. But it does seem like the reduced range and attack should help.

Agreed. And I think we are all on board with the range change.

[Griffin]

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Carnage

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit too powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 280.
- Give a brief overview. Carnage is a bit less agressive than Venom is in a one on one match, but that is because they are identical in every way except that Venom has the Slashing Tendrils while Carnage has the Kill Crazy power that is usless in one on one. The only other difference is Carnage's extra life point, and that SIGNIFICANTLY increases his value with staying power. I am interested in seeing Kill Crazy get some value against squads and cheaper heroes.

Spoiler Alert!

TEST 1
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Spider-Man C3G (250).
This was a really hard fight for Spidey, due to Spidey Sense not working properly against the Symbiote.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 3 wounds.

TEST 2
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Spider-Man C3G (250).
This would have been closer, as it was a good fight, but on Carnage's first attack, he rolled 6 skulls and Spidey was on height with no "senses".
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 3 wounds.

TEST 3
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Venom C3G (230).
Venom feels a bit "smarter" with his Slashing Tendrils power, and lets him feel a bit more useful, however, Carnage has that awesome kill potential and his extra life point is really the main reason why Carnage will end up costing more than Venom.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 5 wounds.

TEST 4
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Venom C3G (230).
Venom used his Slashes as much as possible, but Carnage was always running away on his own turn so that Venom couldn't use Slashes except for Initiative changes.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 4 wounds.

TEST 5
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Absorbing Man (260).
Beat down. Carnage maintained height and continued to crush Carl Creel. Power absorb certainly helped, but it isn't gonna win the fight.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 4 wounds.

TEST 6
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Colossus (260).
Colossus rolled amazing defense and his steel skin helped a lot.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Colossus wins with 5 wounds.

TEST 7
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Colossus (260).
Carnage kept height and seriously hit his Symbiote Senses each time for 2 full rounds!
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 3 wounds.

TEST 8
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Colossus (260).
Close, but Carnage keeping height makes his attacks monstrous coupled with his survivability.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 4 wounds.

TEST 9
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - War Machine.
A great fight. War Machine was disengaging while he had no wounds and shooting with his APRLSA and hurting Carnage. When Carnage would engage, WM was hitting him with Auto Chain Gun. Eventually though, Carnage crushed War Machine.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 5 wounds.

TEST 10
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Wolverine.
Wolverine took a lot of damage early on, and then Carnage failed 3 sense rolls in a row while on height and died to the claws of Wolverine.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Woverine wins with 3 wounds.

TEST 11
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Wolverine.
Unstoppable Carnage is how I define this match. Wolverine is a great survivor, but Carnage's senses and defese kept up with Logan, and basically Carnage avoided a lot of Berserker attacks with his senses.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 5 wounds.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 280.
- Give a brief overview. Carnage has great longevity of life, and range of 2 wit Kill Crazy is perfect for clearing out squads.
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Kree Scout x7.

Spoiler Alert!

Let's just jump into the Kill Crazy details, cause that is what we all want to know, right? Carnage in the first round was able to get to the start zone and could reach 4 Kree, and he built that attack up starting with one at height disadvantage and killed it to get the ball rolling and killed all 4 in one turn. Awesome. After that, Kill Crazy had no more affect. That 6 life really helped him though, as he failed every Spider Sense roll for the first two rounds! It came down to Carnage VS the final Kree on height, and Carnage ripped him apart.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 5 wounds.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 280.
- Give a brief overview. Carnage's ability to go "kill crazy" is great. It won't work too too often, but when it does, it really helps to even the odds against squads and pods.
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage - VS - Lex Corps Security x2.

Spoiler Alert!

Right off, LCS hit Carnage for two wounds, then Carnage managed to surprise them by taking height disadvantage in the shadows for his only opportunity to attack/kill them both, and it worked. The other LCS split up and couldn't hit Carnage while he was in the shadows, so they used their range to bait him out. Then a good fight ensued, and though it ended with Carnage as the winner, he was nice and bloody for a red sybiote.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Carnage wins with 4 wounds.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 280.
- Give a brief overview. This was a close and fun game. Carnage is amazingly thematic in the way he hides and ambushes you as he hopes for a couple of kills. I loved it.
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage, Hugo Strange, and Green Goblin - VS - Spider-Man, Venom, Punisher.

Spoiler Alert!

Hugo sent Carnage and GG out to the front lines but Venom swung right past them and went after Hugo. Venom took some heat from GG, but he ended Hugo in the second round just after GG Mutated into one of Hugo's experiments. Carnage kept moving forward and went after Spider-man, and while Spider-Man was getting jacked up, Venom was bruising GG up. Finally, Venom went after Carnage to help Spider-Man out, but it was too late, and Spidey die, then Venom and Carnage exchanged blows and Venom was badly hurt just as Punisher was moving up with his Assault Rifle, which sent Carnage scurrying off to hide behind the rocks. Punisher advanced and that is when Carnage jumped up and splashed into the water to get a Kill Crazy attack and killed the wounded Venom and put 4 wounds on Punisher! Punisher then unloaded on Carnage after taking height and got Carnage down to one life left. Carnage and Punisher went back and forth and back and forth until finally Carnage took a wound and died. Then GG moved back into the fray and pumpkin bombed Punisher for the win.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Green Goblin wins with 4 wounds.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 280.
- Give a brief overview. I love how Carnage can own squads once or twice in a game and the game still be balanced. This was a lot of fun, and Carnage is a great killer with that power and a range of 2.
Map: Custom.
Units: Carnage, Venom, and Red Skull - VS - Doctor Doom (C3G), Doombot x1, Moleman, and Moloid x13.

Spoiler Alert!

Red Skull camped in the back of the start zone and could see the battle to call the shot for the symbiotes. Obviously Carnage moved in as fast as he could to tear some Moloids up... and he did just that. The Moloids and Mole Man used all their tricks, and did put a lot of wounds on Carnage, but Carnage killed 3 Moloids with Kill Crazy, then when they swarmed and surrounded him with lots of attacks, he took out 8 Moloids in one turn. However Mole Man did survive and from height ended Carnage with just a wound away from death himself. Venom then rushed in and took out Mole Man on his way to deal with Doom. As Doom approached, Venom went right by and plowed into the Doombot and killed him with a 6 skull attack! Doom, furious, turned his attention to the real Mastermind, Red Skull. Doom raced after Red Skull, and Red Skull quickly took height and shot down and hurt Doom for half of his life, but it didn't take Doom long to pit trap, power drain, and blast Red Skull into nothing. Venom and Doom met in the middle and Venom sensed an attack, landed next to Doom, and avoided the pit trap. This allowed Venom to start his next turn adjcenct to Doom and get in two wounds with his Tendril Slash. Then Doom ended Venom's life with an attack, then a power drain double turn for another attack on height.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Doctor Doom wins with 5 wounds.