The Book of Science Police

[A3n]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

And one from me.

I disagree with this one. The 20-sided die only has 20 sides. So 20 is the highest you can roll if you have modifiers then you just wouldn't need to use them if you roll a 20. If the number was anything less then 20 I would agree the "or higher" is valid but not when it's the only possibility. I also believe this is how Official HS has done it also.

Cheers

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by A3n

I disagree with this one. The 20-sided die only has 20 sides. So 20 is the highest you can roll if you have modifiers then you just wouldn't need to use them if you roll a 20. If the number was anything less then 20 I would agree the "or higher" is valid but not when it's the only possibility. I also believe this is how Official HS has done it also.

Cheers

You don't believe in modifying higher than 20? Really? So if you and I roll initiative and I have the initiative +8 glyph, and we both roll 20, who do you think wins? Or would you have us re-roll? In the world of games, dice, and even Heroscape, a 20-sided die is not limited to the number twenty. Sir G's change is valid and justified IMO, and I believe there are official and C3G precedents as well.

[Griffin]

Or if we roll initiative and tie on a twenty, can't I remove an OM on Doctor Fate's card to make my initiative 21? I say "yes, absolutely".

[SirGalahad]

C3G has done it both ways already.

Just trying to aim for consistency.

I know it's a noble, but mostly unattainable goal.

[Griffin]

Personally, I have really appreciated your quest for consistency Sir G. Keep it up please, and I am sorry if I haven't made it clear to you how much I appreciate it in the past.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the DC Unleashed set. Its model number and name is 010, 011, 012/Science Police.

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Sorry for the double post.

I agree that SirG's change is needed. If 20+ is possible it needs to be addressed. Unless your intent is for it to only ever have a 5% chance. In which case, 21 or higher would be the same as 1-11, a fail.

[Griffin]

I just looked up the official FAQ and this is what it says.


Some powers (in relation to rolling the 20-sided die) say "20 or higher" some just say "20". If I roll higher than a 20 (because of other powers/glyphs) on the powers that list 20 as a max, what happens?
For any 20-sided die roll (except for initiative), any number above 20 counts the same as a 20. Initiative is different however, if you are on the glyph of lodin and roll a 20 (20+lodin=21) and your opponent rolls a 20 as well, you win the initiative roll.

[Griffin]

So if you roll a 17, but you have some type of modifier that gives your roll a +8, you have rolled a 25 - which equals "a 20" and "a 20 or higher". The "or higher" aspect helps the player know that they can exceed the number 20 and still succeed for the power, because "higher than 20 equals 20".

[A3n]

Originally Posted by Griffin

So if you roll a 17, but you have some type of modifier that gives your roll a +8, you have rolled a 25 - which equals "a 20" and "a 20 or higher". The "or higher" aspect helps the player know that they can exceed the number 20 and still succeed for the power, because "higher than 20 equals 20".

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by A3n

I think you may have read what you wanted to read here bud.

[Griffin]

The "or higher" aspect helps players know that if they modify beyond 20, they still succeed. Without that "or higher" line, it becomes unclear whether or not they actually succeeded if they modified beyond 20, because they did not roll exactly 20.

The "or higher" line ftw.