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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
Because of those concerns, and because I do think that he is broken on lava, I am not sure I feel comfortable passing this guy along..... I am starting to think that the entire design might have to be scrapped and re-envisioned.
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#182
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
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In Mere Pawns, do you think we should restrict it to unique figures? That would get around that issue (and what you're suggesting is definitely not the intent here). If you're concerned, we can extend the voting period to allow you to run some tests for him on lava, like I did when I was concerned myself. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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#183
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
I'm not sure if I am comfortable with the lava situation either, so Griffin has my vote also, which ever way he uses it.
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#184
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
All right, leaving aside the lava concerns for a moment, do the changes in bold below take care of the other issues?
BEYONDER ENTITY EVENT HERO OMNIPOTENT INQUISITIVE MEDIUM 5 LIFE 40 MOVE 5 RANGE 1 ATTACK 7 DEFENSE 6 POINTS: 2500 SUPREME SUMMONING After moving and before attacking, you may choose one figure within clear sight of Beyonder. You may either place the chosen figure on any empty space adjacent to Beyonder or choose another figure of the same size within clear sight of Beyonder and switch the chosen figures. Figures moved by Supreme Summoning never take any leaving engagement attacks and may never be placed on uneven terrain. MERE PAWNS After revealing an Order Marker on this card, and instead of taking a turn with Beyonder, you may roll the 20-sided die.
FLYING SYMBOL SUPER STRENGTH SYMBOL C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
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#185
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
Yeah, I am not even sure it is an issue of playtesting as much as I am just not happy with the overall quality of the design. There is too much there to poke at.
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#186
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
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And can you give specifics that you're having trouble with? Blanket negative comments with no suggested changes aren't useful. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
#187
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
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#188
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C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
I listened to the concerns of the ERB, and then I wanted some Playter's opinions as well. I got both and I am still not happy with the design. I haven't held a double standard in any way, and I have been open about my concerns with this design for a while now....
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#190
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
This is true. IIRC correctly Bats shared your opinion of the unit when we were Skyping and you asked me what I thought of that power that negated terrain.
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#191
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
To be clear on this issue, I am not giving this design a Death No. I am merely re-expressing my doubts about the integrity of this design. I am in no way trying to dismiss this design or those that worked so hard on it to get it where it is.
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#192
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Final Editing
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I guess I'm just having trouble nailing down what exactly the concerns are here. This felt like it came a bit out of nowhere. Maybe there's something in the playtest results that hasn't been commented on specifically or that I'm just not seeing? Griff, if you could get more specific about your concerns, that would really help us discuss the card and figure out if there are any changes that can be made. It started out with a concern about lava, which I feel isn't supported by the current playtests, but theoryscaping instead. I asked you to consider testing the card at that point. Then you said that the card as a whole was problematic for you. I'm a little lost here and feel a tad ambushed. If there are major concerns for you on the card, I certainly want to address them. Hopefully we can go through the card specifically and have a conversation about what's working for people currently and what's not. I don't see why anyone would be cementing his opinion right now. I do apologize if I was disrespectful in expressing my frustrations with this response, though. C3G can be played with official Heroscape, but it's not recommended.
DISCLAIMER: C3G claims no ownership of the characters or artwork used for C3G customs. All rights for the characters belong to their respective publishers/creators. C3G cards are not intended for sale, and C3G does not authorize any party to profit from C3G cards. |
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