The Book of Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)

[Spidey'tilIDie]

Originally Posted by A3n

I can get behind this. The only question would be when do you stop making Green Construct cards?

Cheers

Do you mean creating Green Constructs or do you mean literally when do I stop making them?

If its the former, you can either make what you have in your army, or until you run out of Green Power Markers, whichever comes first. The latter, I would only make one now, with others possibly to be made by myself or others later, IMO.

[IAmBatman]

Would the construct cards be draftable and assigned point costs? If so, then I favor him being able to simply create them one at a time at no battery marker cost. Maybe sacrificing an attack to do so?

[IAmBatman]

I'd like to see us make two or three now to see the variety involved - and to get a better feel for his true value with them.
So, probably three of them.
But, yeah, after that, they could be done as add ons if people wanted them later, and would just need to be tested alongside Kyle.
I'd be OK with them being done as part of this initial design without requiring any additional design threads.
And if this works well, we might put variations of the construct creation power on other GL cards later (not John or Guy, but some of the alien ones, maybe).

[GreyOwl]

I think if we go this route, it would have to use a battery marker to create one. Otherwise it wouldn't be thematic and it would have the potential to get overpowered.

[A3n]

Just another thought.

How does this route take care of the LOS targeting issue raised earlier?

Cheers

[whitestuff]

Seems a whole lot simpler to put the marker on the map, make the attack and then remove the marker. I don't see any problem with that.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by whitestuff

Seems a whole lot simpler to put the marker on the map, make the attack and then remove the marker. I don't see any problem with that.

I think they want to come up with different "contsruct" cards so that they can work differently. So in effect, Kyle or any other GL that could do this would have different special powers available depending on which "construct" card they draft with the GL. At least that's what I'm guessing at.

Otherwise, I'd say to just put the marker on the space that GL occupies and move him to the spot that the construct would be so that you can us his figure to determine line of sight. After the attack/s you would replace GL on his original space and remove the marker from the game. That would take care of LOS determining for the construct, at least to me it would.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by GreyOwl

I think if we go this route, it would have to use a battery marker to create one. Otherwise it wouldn't be thematic and it would have the potential to get overpowered.

If the constructs are done as draftable cards with point values on them, it wouldn't be overpowered at all. In fact, I'd argue, it would absolutely stink to have to burn a Marker just to get another piece of your army on the battlefield.
And I don't buy the thematic thing either - we're not requiring any GL burn a Marker to attack, yet they're always using the ring to do so. This is how Kyle attacks with his ring - he builds giant avatars or constructs and fights through them. It shouldn't particularly burn any more energy than a blast from Hal, though.

Originally Posted by A3n

Just another thought.

How does this route take care of the LOS targeting issue raised earlier?

Cheers

It would require actual green figures that would be associated with the construct card and targeting would be done from those figures in normal fashion. You can't really draw LOS from a marker, but you can do it from a green knight, or whatever. (Actually, an official Phantom Knight figure would make a great Construct, come to think of it!).

Originally Posted by Hahma

I think they want to come up with different "contsruct" cards so that they can work differently. So in effect, Kyle or any other GL that could do this would have different special powers available depending on which "construct" card they draft with the GL. At least that's what I'm guessing at.

Simpler, yes, but more fun? Not sure. Also, I think people were already starting to raise issues with the marker thing dealing with LOS. So why not go a bit more ambitious here if it's easy enough to do (and I think it will be).
Hahma's done a pretty good job of explaining what a few of us were thinking with this one.
I'm really growing less and less enchanted with the marker version and all that would have to be done to clear up LOS issues.
And, besides, how fun would it be for Kyle to summon a variety of green figures to fight under his control? As long as each was appropriately costed it would be really no different than Iskra and the Rechets, but potentially a lot of fun!

[Griffin]

GREEN CONSTRUCT SPECIAL ATTACK
RANGE SPECIAL, ATTACK 6
Choose a green Battery Marker from this card and place it on the battlefield within 5 clear sight spaces of Green Lantern. After the chosen Marker is placed, you may make two attacks against any figure within 4 spaces of the Marker. When Green Lantern attacks with his Green Construct Special Attack, he may target one figure for both attacks or attack two targets one time each. After using Green Construct Special Attack, remove the chosen Marker from the game.

Sorry Spidey, but I am just not lovin this at all. Perhaps you could explain to me exactly what the difference is between what you have and this:

RANGE 9. ATTACK 6.
Remove a Power Battery Marker from this card and then attack with this special attack. After attacking with this special attack, you may attack one additional time. Green Lantern may attack a figure with this special attack while he is engaged to another figure and he does not need clear line of sight.

I just think that this power is a boring double special attack.... whatever happened to creating some real constructs? I don't like this direction at all....

[IAmBatman]

Read the rest of the thread, Griff. We're discussing that direction now.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Read the rest of the thread, Griff. We're discussing that direction now.

I think that I will continue to badger the **** out of you guys until the front page is changed.

[IAmBatman]

Well, you know how I do love a badger ...