Project Pokemon Design Thread: VENUSAUR!

[Warlord Alpha]

Originally Posted by NightSwipe

Special Abilities/Attacks:

Defense Curl:
If this Sandshrew does not attack this turn, you may add 1 to his defense until the start of his next turn.

Sand Attack 14:
When opponent's figures enter adjacency with this Sandshrew, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 14 or higher, the opponents figures may not attack until their next turn.

Climb x2
When moving up or down levels of terrain, this Sandshrew may double its Height.

Sand Attack can't work like that.

The main reason is that a great deal of figures in Pokescape are going to have ranged attacks. So far, 3 of 5 have ranged attacks. With all these ranged attacks, nobody needs to engage Sandshrew! So, either Sandshrew engages them himself and loses Sand Attack, or they shoot Sandshrew from range and Sandshrew loses Sand Attack. Either way, Sandshrew ends up with a near-useless power.

I still think that it needs to work whenever an adjacent opponent attacks.

[Kroz]

Originally Posted by Warlord Alpha

Sand Attack can't work like that.

The main reason is that a great deal of figures in Pokescape are going to have ranged attacks. So far, 3 of 5 have ranged attacks. With all these ranged attacks, nobody needs to engage Sandshrew! So, either Sandshrew engages them himself and loses Sand Attack, or they shoot Sandshrew from range and Sandshrew loses Sand Attack. Either way, Sandshrew ends up with a near-useless power.

I still think that it needs to work whenever an adjacent opponent attacks.

Agreed the previous sand attack was better. This really isn't that great. It should be something that is triggered by an attack not by movement.

[Chardar]

Not to mention that the last thing heroscape needs is another anti-melee unit.

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by NightSwipe

Okay, I would be fine with incorporating Defense Curl with Sandshrew, and then editing Sand Attack to affect figures entering engagement. Something like this?

Changes in Orange.

Okay, made adjustments as recommended, but Defense Curl and Sand Attack need some work, I think.

Maybe getting rid of Climb for an Underground Movement, so he can enter adjacency faster?

And we still need an personality for him...

Why did sand attack get changed? If you want to edit his roll in a battle to be gaining adjacency then why give him an ability that focusus on enemies engaging him?

Alert for personality gets my vote.

[caltemus]

Sandshrew is a mouse, and has a tendency to roll into a ball, so wouldn't his personality be "Timid", and I still like the Sand Attack wording that, I believe Kaiyu came up with.

Sand Attack
When this Sandshrew is targeted for an attack from an adjacent opponent, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 14 or higher the targeting figure cannot attack for the duration of the it's turn.

[wulfhunter667]

Originally Posted by NightSwipe

Okay, I would be fine with incorporating Defense Curl with Sandshrew, and then editing Sand Attack to affect figures entering engagement. Something like this?

Changes in Orange.

Okay, made adjustments as recommended, but Defense Curl and Sand Attack need some work, I think.

Maybe getting rid of Climb for an Underground Movement, so he can enter adjacency faster?

And we still need an personality for him...

Definately change Climb for Underground Movement. Defense Curl looks good. Sand Attack though...
IDK, something's missing. I just haven't figured out what yet.
Oh yeah, and Alert works for me.

[NightSwipe]

Changes have been made.

Sandshrew

Sandshrew v5

Sidebar Information:

Pokemon
Uncommon Hero
Mouse
Alert/Timid (more people need to vote on this.)
Small 3

Stat Box Information:

Life 3
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 2
Defense 3

~40 - 60 points?

Special Abilities/Attacks:

Defense Curl:
If this Sandshrew does not attack this turn, you may add 1 to his defense until the start of his next turn.

Sand Attack 14:
When this Sandshrew is targeted for an attack from an adjacent opponent, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 14 or higher the targeting figure cannot attack for the duration of the targeting figure's turn.

Climb x2
When moving up or down levels of terrain, this Sandshrew may double its Height.

Changes in Cyan.

@Wulf: Wait, leave Climb as it is, or come up with Underground Movement?

I was thinking, this version of Sand Attack still only works on adjacent foes. Should we give Sand Attack range?

[BiggaBullfrog]

Originally Posted by NightSwipe

I was thinking, this version of Sand Attack still only works on adjacent foes. Should we give Sand Attack range?

I don't think range is needed unless we give it some kind of ranged version of Combat Challenge to go with it (and I don't see a Sandshrew having that). Otherwise, the opponent will probably attack a more important unit. Adjacent is fine, because the opponent will have to attack the engaged Pokemon first (even if it had range, it would probably be short, like 2).

[wulfhunter667]

Originally Posted by NightSwipe

Changes have been made.

Changes in Cyan.

@Wulf: Wait, leave Climb as it is, or come up with Underground Movement?

I was thinking, this version of Sand Attack still only works on adjacent foes. Should we give Sand Attack range?

Use Underground Movement instead of Climb. Is more thematic. I think a ranged version of Sand Attack might work, if it's not rule-breaking.

[Warlord Alpha]

Actually, we could do a ranged version of sand attack:

If any figure within 2 spaces of you declares an attack against any figure, not just Sandshrew, you can throw sand in their face.

[wulfhunter667]

Originally Posted by Warlord Alpha

Actually, we could do a ranged version of sand attack:

If any figure within 2 spaces of you declares an attack against any figure, not just Sandshrew, you can throw sand in their face.

That might be a bit much. I see what you're saying, using Nakitas as a base, but if we do that, it will jack his cost up significantly. I would prefer to keep if it Sandshrew is attacked by enemy within 2 cls.

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

I think a ranged version of Sand Attack might work, if it's not rule-breaking.

Originally Posted by Warlord Alpha

Actually, we could do a ranged version of sand attack:

If any figure within 2 spaces of you declares an attack against any figure, not just Sandshrew, you can throw sand in their face.

If something has a range greater than 1 and its not adjacent, then its just going to move to range 3 or beyond. The range of 2 would never get used unless for some reason the ranged figure can't move far enough away. If we want Sand Attack to activate when an attack is made on friendly figures too, then we'd be making Nakita Agents' Smokebomb, we can decide if its against adjacent figures only or not. Someone also suggested that sand attack affects all adjacent figures, which would give Sandshrew some great squad mobbing protection.