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Re: The Book of Spider-Man
As you say in your edit, they are both "attacks". The rules specifically refer to it as a "leaving engagement attack". Spidey's card refers to being "attacked" by an opposing figure and having a skull rolled. Not normal attack, not attacked on the opponents' turn, just attacked, period.
If I follow the zombie standard (i.e. a walking figure killed by a zombie's leaving engagement attack becomes a zombie on the space it moved ONTO) then Spidey gets a swing-line from the space he moved onto. Spidey then continues his walk from wherever he swings TO, with however much move he had left after the disengagement move. I realize this is a bizarre effect, but this is what I get from reading the card. |
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Re: The Book of Spider-Man
R˙chean is correct. Leaving engagement strikes do not trigger any special powers in the game. Not Spider sense, not ninja vanish, not scatter or any other special abilities that would be triggered by attacks.
I would ask you why you would even "walk" away from engagement with Spiderman and risk engagement strikes when you could swing line away and not take any such attacks? "A good teacher is like a candle: it consumes itself to light the way for others." -Anonymous |
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(EDIT: Additionally, I'd point out one counter-example that is known to exist - the Microcorp Agents' Stealth Armor.) Isamu and the Ninjas are, in fact, a good comparison, as the disappearing Ninja ability uses the exact same language as Spider Sense. However, Isamu and the Ninjas have phantom walk, so it's a moot point for them. Only Spider Man and Venom have this language and are eligible to receive leaving engagement attacks. Quote:
Plus, if spider-sense applies, it's only a 25% chance of a wound, plus the chance for bonus movement... ---- Just to be clear, I honestly think this is an oversight and should be corrected in errata. But I think that a literal reading of the card currently suggests that you get a spider sense roll, and a swing line move in the middle of your walk if your roll succeeds. Last edited by dok; December 23rd, 2008 at 09:20 PM. |
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Re: The Book of Spider-Man
Leaving engagement attacks are not attacks, no matter how misleading the name may be. "Disengagement swipe" would have been a better term to use.
Stealth Armor specifically mentions wounds, which leaving engagement attacks do dish out. Also, Raelin is female. I find it hard to believe you didn't notice this. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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Elsewhere, in reference to things like Braxas's poisonous acid breath and Deadeye Dan's sniper rifle, we place great importance in the use (or non-use, as it were) of the word "attack". Why is this different? So far, I still think we need to get official errata if this application of Spider Sense is considered undesireable. Quote:
Ach, sorry. I usually get Braxas right, and that's a much more subtle case... |
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You don't need an errata. Can you use the Omnicron Snipers' double skulls ability when making a leaving engagement attack? No. And that example has been brought up and answered before. If they were attacks, Kaemon Awa could Quick Release every time someone walked away from him. They're "disengagement swipes" with unfortunate naming on Hasbro's part.
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One strong argument for this in the rules as they stand is that the words "leaving engagement attack" are in quotes in the rules. Quote:
Leaving engagement attacks aren't normal attacks or special attacks, and I'm not arguing that they are. I'm arguing that, as the rules are currently written, leaving engagement attacks are leaving engagement attacks. Again, it's a reasonable argument, but if they have "unfortunate naming" then that can and should be corrected in errata. |
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Re: The Book of Spider-Man
And now for something completely different!
At first glance, I thought there wasn't much difference between Spidey's normal attack and his Web special attack (attack 4 vs. attack 3 and -1 defense). Thinking about it more, that's obviously not the case. First of all, one is a normal attack and one is a special attack. It got me thinking , though. When would you use Spidey's normal attack versus his web attack? I suppose any time you could get height and adjacency his normal attack (of 5) would be a good option but is it (statistically) better than 3 and a -1 defense to the defender? If not, why did they give Spiderman such a lame normal attack? I'm not a statistician (or maybe I'm just too lazy to think about it right now) so help a brother out! Brandon I'm HipHoppa on Urban Rivals! Get cool rewards for your first credit purchase with my invitation code 6360776! The B.I.V.'s Big Bad Custom Creations The B.I.V.'s Big Bad Heroic Creations |
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Just for future reference for those who crawl this thread... I posted on the leaving engagement attacks issue in the FAQ forum, and Grungebob pretty clearly backed the accepted way of playing (i.e. leaving engagement attacks don't count as "attacks" for special powers). I still feel this should be added to the official FAQ for clarity's sake, but if everyone's on the same page it's a moot point.
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The short answer is that, barring some tactical reason to avoid positioning yourself next to your opponent, and/or to avoid a normal attack, you should use spidey's normal attack. An attack of 4 (i.e. even without height advantage) trumps an attack of 3, even if the attack of 3 faces one fewer defense dice. The only exceptions are:
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Re: The Book of Spider-Man
The way I tend to think of Spidey's Web Special Attack is that the -1 defense effectively makes his attack equivalent to 3.5 dice.
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The web attack is also kind of nice against Krav Maga Agents, where that extra defense die is a big deal. Of course, if you're adjacent, it's back to the normal attack. |
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Thanks, guys! That's been bugging me for a looooong time!
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