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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
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Oh wait, those aren't even vikings, they're Human Champions. You know with the same stats as these guys: Just like Monks: And Ninjas: At least there wasn't a bunch of testing done to show that 2 Defense dies a little too easy, and there aren't thematic reasons for him to have other stat changes too, like being the Sheriff. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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I feel the same, honestly, but I’m glad someone else brought it up before I did.
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Sure, but it still has to pass a unified review first. I will nay vote it strictly because it is a demon. If it were something else, such as Fiend, Oni etc(whatever is appropriate.) id up vote it.
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Also, if Demon is bad, would Ogre work Astro? My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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For what it's worth, I am not the only judge who had this feedback. I also don't know why "being a sheriffs" is a thematic justification for having a pistol that doesn't shoot as far as everyone else. Or hitting harder or being tougher, for that matter. I pointed out that one change is justifiable from a gameplay perspective, and I would probably push for attack 3, since he doesn't have the same punch as the other cowboys. Then again, his "punch" is making all the other cowboys attack at once. 3 defense, to give him more staying power could make sense. But stick with the change you *need* to make; don't just change things willy nilly.
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Formerly known as capsocrates -- Remixed Master Sets - challenge yourself with new terrain combinations! -- Colorado Fall 2023 Multiplayer Madness -- caps's Customs Redux - caps's multiplayer maps - caps's maps - Seagate -- Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV |
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There was a reason I took your name out of the quote: I was responding to the criticism not the critic. His pistol doesn't shoot as far so he has to be that much closer to the action, as a lead-from-the-front type of sheriff. It also makes sense that the strongest Lawman would prove himself worthy of being promoted. You also said you could maybe see two stat changes. In which case why not 5/7/3/3? Now the only differences are his attack and defense. Better Attack is needed because he doesn't have a special attack (or double attack) for punch like the others. Better Defense is needed because he just didn't quite have the toughness needed in testing. Re: Masha: I agree that any potential Demon interactions seem more worthy of being figured out in testing rather than hard No's. Arena of the Valkyire - Help create Heroscape's next Master Set! Trade List C3V Brainstorm never not funny Pepperony - 14/09/13 |
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At the same time I recognized the reason for the higher Attack and the reason for the higher Defense. Gameplay-wise both are good for him. But dang, he just didn't feel like he fit in the team he was leading. Yeah, it's a petty reason, I won't deny it. And I felt crappy making the decision. But my job is to judge whether or not the unit is the best of the best, and I just couldn't convince myself he was. Like an awesome car with a big dent in the side. At 5/7/3/3 I probably would have passed him. Not really all that happily, but probably yes. As much as I hate to admit it, as I'm all about simplicity and letting stats handle things, I really craved 5/7/2/2 and a power like Battle Fury to fill the needs. |
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If the reason is more of a thematic preference for avoiding cross-faction synergies, then I just wanted to voice how I find that concerning. I absolutely love the work of c3v and SoV and the numerous ways they've improved and continued the game of Heroscape. Pretty much the only potential negative that I've seen has been the development of more and more factions that are designed to be more or less standalone, with powerful but also exclusive synergy webs that tend to account for almost all the points in a given army. For me, one of the most fun and unique things about Heroscape has always been getting to see huge varieties of fighters all working together in a single army. And when that was encouraged by cross-faction synergy, I saw that as a good thing. I love sending my airborne elites into battle alongside Marcus Decimus Gallus and Kursus. Sure, it may not be the most competitive composition, but having cross-faction synergies is fun and opens up new options for creative army building. I do recognize that there are more units and discussions happening behind the c3v curtain that are related to this discussion, so I expect any of my thoughts to be taken with a grain of salt. Hopefully a little bit of an outside perspective is still useful though. Thank you to all of the designers, judges, and people who participate in C3V and SoV! I know its a large investment of time and your work is appreciated by many Last edited by Captain Stupendous; April 12th, 2020 at 04:49 PM. |
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion
Would he have passed with three powers?
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