The Book of Sub-Zero

[japes]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I do like that last version of Ice Blast, it seems like a fun design space to explore. Freezing Spider Man so he can't swing away, freezing Silver Samurai so he can't counter strike, etc. Will make him a pretty good counter draft to some units.

Weren't you the one that brought up the point about Luke Cage's skin not being weaker when he was frozen? Doesn't this lead to the same issue only worse since you are negating it completely?

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I'm going to guess no - in an Arcade mode it's quite possible to get a Sub-Zero mirror match, and if they were immune to each others' powers that'd be a super boring match with just punching and kicking. I believe he can control ice, but isn't immune to it.

I froze the crap out of my son's Sub Zero yesterday so I know at least in MKII and 3 he isn't immune.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by japes

Weren't you the one that brought up the point about Luke Cage's skin not being weaker when he was frozen? Doesn't this lead to the same issue only worse since you are negating it completely?

Given the effect liquid nitrogen has on things, I personally have no issue with this. My concern then is that, against a number of other iconic MK fighter matchups, it'd have no effect at all - I'd rather see the defensive power negation paired with a smaller defence subtraction.

[Arkham]

I don't think he has Ice Resistance himself, as he's able to be frozen just as any other as are other Cryomancers in the game.

That's a good point japes on Luke Cage's skin. Probably best to not go that route.

[Margloth]

What if you took the “charging up the power bar” approach and did something like this:

ICE BLAST
Once per round, you may use Ice Blast. If you do, for the remainder of the turn, add X to Sub-Zero’s range and subtract X from the defending figure’s Defense number, where X = the highest revealed Order Marker on this card.

Unless of course the Power Bar is not iconic for Mortal Kombat. I’ve only ever played Mortal Kombat X mobile lol.

[Arkham]

It's a neat idea, but I wouldn't want freeze to be limited to once per round. I like the meter approach, but it's only just become a thing in the last 2 games, though it's likely going to be standard for each game going forward as well.

I wouldn't limit it to once per round as you can still use the move as much as you'd like. Using an enhanced version, using a bar of meter, will make the special better though. So perhaps just make it on an X reveal to increase its effectiveness? Maybe do a standard effect, then the X reveal makes it better? That could be neat.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

I’d really prefer not going the negation route personally, as that’s what I had planned for Noob as a ‘spooky’ version of same concept to go with his spooky version of Ice Ball.

A thought, what about doing a version where the effected figure subtracts 2 from their defense the next time they’re attacked this player turn? That way he could freeze someone for a hand ninja or whatever to punch out if he doesn’t feel like doing it himself.

Edit: I like the idea of an X enhanced version, as that would get back into having some lite interplay with Scorpion (the rivalry power on Scorps is essentially meaningless with this current version of Subs)

[Arkham]

Yeah I forgot about the ghost ball on Noob, I wouldn't want to tread the same ground.

I'm thinking an X to enhance type idea would be cool. I'll think up exactly what I want that to look like.

[Tornado]

You could place your X OM on their card to show them frozen. That would keep them frozen for the rest of the round, though you would probably want some sort of mechanic to allow them to break out so it does not automatically shut down the figure for the entire round.

I think the simplest route would be to let the X OM add to your d20 roll.

[quozl]

Originally Posted by Tornado

You could place your X OM on their card to show them frozen. That would keep them frozen for the rest of the round, though you would probably want some sort of mechanic to allow them to break out so it does not automatically shut down the figure for the entire round.

That could be interesting.

Place your X order Marker on the chosen figure's card. While your X order marker is on their card, that figure cannot move and rolls 2 less defense dice when attacked. After the figure is attacked or the round ends, take back your X order marker.

[Arkham]

Having the X add to the roll would still leave the -2 subtraction feeling a bit meh. There's other figures that get that sort of thing for free. Requiring a d20 roll and bringing in the X to make it more likely to succeed, just feels a bit uninteresting for what the results are getting you.

I like the idea of placing your X on their card though. That could be neat, however, it would mean it becomes a once per round power which Sub's freeze shouldn't be IMO. But I suppose how you have it leaves it up to the player whether he wants to get it back that turn or not. hmmmm

[Tornado]

Now that is interesting, if you can choose to unfreeze and get the X back.

[Arkham]

Yeah I don't know. Feels sort of like the "X" being placed on a card and such makes it a bit more complicated than necessary. We went from a flat -3 to defense, to needing to place an "X" on their card to -2 from their defense and stop them from moving, lasting 'til they are attacked or the round ends. I'm not sure.