The Book of Dack Fayden - Page 7

Soundwarp SG-1 · #73 March 3rd, 2022, 05:53 PM

yea

IAmBatman · #74 March 3rd, 2022, 06:28 PM

yea

tcglkn · #75 March 3rd, 2022, 06:29 PM

This passes

Glyph of Tarantual

tcglkn · #76 March 3rd, 2022, 06:31 PM

I propose we move this to On Deck

@Dr. Jekyll
@fret_gurglo
@Lord Pyre
@LordVenoc
@MrNobody

MrNobody · #77 March 3rd, 2022, 06:35 PM

Yea

Lord Pyre · #78 March 3rd, 2022, 06:36 PM

Yea

fret_gurglo · #79 March 3rd, 2022, 11:55 PM

Yea

tcglkn · #80 March 4th, 2022, 08:07 AM

Down to LordVenoc here

LordVenoc · #81 March 4th, 2022, 12:02 PM

The breaking of the Equipment rules (so like having more than one) being in the second power isn't my favorite, but I do agree that that makes more sense from the perspective of the power names. Was briefly going to suggest an FAQ about the limits before seeing/remembering that that was in the second power.

Yea

tcglkn · #82 March 4th, 2022, 12:07 PM

This passes #1365

I do agree that those two powers kinda feel like one combined power and it's slightly weird how to break up the effects but I also think it's better as two powers.

tcglkn · #83 March 5th, 2022, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinderella

Here's the tests! Very unique design and was a blast to play!

Quote:

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Dack Fayden

Map: Ivy’s Greenhouse
Units: Dack Fayden (150), Star-Lord (250), Rocket Raccoon (195), Gamora (300) (895) Vs. Mandarin (280), Johnny Thunder (20), Thunderbolt (330), Wolverine (Avengers) (270) (900)

Spoiler Alert!

Dack takes the Amulet of Tarantual. Avenger Marker on Johnny Thunder.
Round 1 - Red team
R1: Manadrin moves, moving Johnny with his rings. Tries to wound a palm tree but fails.
B1: Star-Lord and Gamora moves onto road.
R2: Wolverine moves onto road and attacks an Evergreen tree. 1 wound.
B2: Dack Planeswalkers forward. Gamora follows.
R3: Thunderbolt is placed.
B3: Rocket and Gamora move.

Round 2 - Red team
R1: Manadrin and blasts the palm tree. On a 20, the tree is destroyed.
B1: Star-Lord and Gamora move.
R2: Thunderbolt is placed forward and he then moves adjacent to Star-Lord. He attacks Dack. 3 wounds, and he drops his amulet into the centre water.
B2: Rocket wounds Thunderbolt. Dack stays and Gamora flanks to destroys Thunderbolt.
R3: Thunderbolt comes back and attacks Star-Lord. No wounds.
B3: Rocket attacks Thunderbolt for one wound, moves, and then inflicts another wound.

Round 3 - Blue team
B1: Star-Lord uses his special on Thunderbolt. No wounds, but Star-Lord and Dack move.
R1: Thunderbolt attacks Star-Lord and inflicts 3 wounds.
B2: Rocket moves up. Wolverine moves. He attacks Johnny. 2 wounds.
R2: Thunderbolt attacks Star-Lord but fails.
B3: Dack Planewalks away.
R3: Thunderbolt attacks Star-Lord. 1 wound.

Round 4 - Red team
R1: Thunderbolt destroys Star-Lord.
B1: Rocket destroys Johnny. He then moves, places a bomb, and Gamora moves.
R2: Wolverine engages Rocket and attacks. No wounds, and Rocket moves.
B2: Rocket attacks Wolvey. 1 wound. He then moves and Wolvey follows. Gamora tries to flank but fails.
R3: Wolvey attacks Rocket. 3 wounds, and he moves. Wolvey moves onto the bomb glyph.
B3: Dack Planeswalks.

Round 5 - Blue team
B1: Dack Planeswalks and takes the energy rings from Manadrin. Wolvey moves. Gamora flanks but fails. Dack then uses the ring to wound Mandarin.
R1: Mandarin attacks Dack but fails.
B2: Rocket attacks Wolvey. 1 wound. Gamora adds an auto skull and attacks Wolvey. No wounds.
R2: Mandarin moves Gamora. Wolvey re-engages with height. Mandarin then destroys Dack. Energy rings placed next to Mandarin.
B3: Gamora attacks Wolvey. No wounds.
R3: Mandarin takes an LEA from Gamora. 1 wound. He moves Gamora below him. Wolvey moves. He attacks Gamora. 2 wounds. Gamora moves.

Round 6 - Blue team
B1: Rocket deals a wound to Wolvey. Gamora moves and destroys him.
R1: Mandarin drops all rings and grabs his the energy rings. He rolls a 20, inflicts 3 wounds to Gamora.
B2: Gamora gains high ground and deals 2 wounds to Mandarin.
R2: Mandarin moves and uses his range. He uses his rings. No wounds.
B3: Rocket engages, places a bomb, and Gamora flanks to destroy Mandarin.

Normal Attack Damage: N/A
Psychometry: 2 uses.
GTitM: 1 use, stole the energy rings.
Planeswalker: 3 uses.

Winners: Gamora with 5 wounds, Rocket with 3 wounds.

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Map: Icy Road
Units: Dack Fayden (150), Amanda Waller (195), Rick Flag (105), Vulture (90), Deadshot (150), Bane (190) Skrull Infiltrator x2 (20) (900)
Vs. Doctor Doom (Sorcerer) (345), N’Astirh (320), Beast (Avengers) (200), Mystic Flames x2 (10), Lightning Bolt x2 (10), Hellfire: Fireball x2 (10) (895)

Spoiler Alert!

Winners: Suicide Squad, with Rick taking 2 wounds.

Thoughts on the tested unit’s cost, balance, & draftability:
I think Dack is in a good spot at 150. My initial reactions on seeing the the design was that he might be a bit niche with his powers revolving around glyphs. Whilst this might be the case in some scenarios (for example, he’s not doing much against the likes of Teen Titans), figures relying on glyphs can be hit hard by him. This was evident in the first game, where despite not doing a lot, he shone as a key piece just by removing the Energy Rings from Mandarin. As Mandarin cannot re-grab it, Toyhandle was forced to drop their other glyphs to get the energy rings again. If he hadn’t taken those wounds early, Dack would of been able to get some use out of the rings even after dropping them.

The second game was slaughter. Dack was particularly effective against Doom + N’Astirh because of the Sword of Grayskull, and between him and Deadshot they quickly cleaned up. Dack was a lot of fun to run in a Suicide Squad build, with Rick Flag giving him that extra movement to really chase down someone, and Amanda giving him the extra attack die. Whilst they did demolish the other team, I think a lot of that was the bad luck on Toyhandle’s end, consistently getting few shields and rolling a 2 on Doom’s first turn. The Sword of Grayskull definitely helped, but I feel the sword itself did the damage, as anyone else could of wielded that if Dack dropped it.

He’s got a lot of potential with the different artefacts available, which could also lead to some fun interactions or different choices depending on the enemy team and map. He’s very versatile with these as well, whether it’s taking ally ones to strengthen his arsenal or hunting an opponent down to take theirs. 150 seems pretty fair on him, with a potential rise if there is a particular glyph combo that’s really strong (which I don’t think there is).

General thoughts on the tested unit:
Fun unit! Nice to see another property pushing forward, and he’s a really creative and unique design. He’s a lot of fun to theory craft with even if the majority of these glyph combos aren’t particularly strong.

Thanks for the tests! Glad he was fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyhandle

Game 1: Decided to draft Mandarin to bring some magical artifacts, and Thunderbolt to be the Djinn that stained Dack’s hand red.
Could not have been a closer match. His Planeswalker ability can get him away from Thunderbolt and straight to Johnny Thunder quickly and safely on his own, but Cover Fire from Star Lord can make that happen even quicker.
Having Mandarin in my army made me go straight for Dack early, attacking him even before prioritizing Star-Lord.
Dack wasn’t that aggressive here, but him taking the ring from Mandarin stalled Mandarin long enough, which was a deciding factor. Makulan Energy rolls were low or failed almost every time for both of us, except for the one 20 I rolled. Would have been devastating if it landed when used against me.
Dack was only ever in position to gain height from the Amulet of Tarantaul once, but it was against the flying Thunderbolt, so it didn’t come up.

Game 2:
This was a game where everything that could go wrong did go wrong. I drafted N’Astrith to make Beast a Demon to boost Doom’s D20. But Skinderella drafted Rick Flag, who makes the X marker expendable for Waller, so I was unable to boost Doom at all, meaning my investment in N’Astrith, Beast, and the Hellfire spells was completely wasted. So instead of leading with Doom, then cleaning up with N’Astrith and Beast, I did the opposite.
On top of that, Dack was equipped with the Power Sword of Grayskull, which adds an extra wound when wounding a Magical Defense character.
Which was easy for Dack, because I never rolled higher than 1 shield for N’Astrith or Doom.
Then after my first turn with Doom, having already lost every other figure in my army, I roll a 2 and lost all my powers.

Dack was much more aggressive this game, charging into battle with the sword, with backup from Deadshot. At 150 each, both showed how scary figures at their point cost can be, being the biggest offensive threats to my team, especially when supported by the tight build of the Suicide Squad.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Looking at the potential of this character, I thought he might be a little too cheap. In some wild situation where he had at some point been equipped with a ton of glyphs, he could become a real power house. Not being able to pass/drop glyphs means he’ll often have to take wounds to lose them, and that keeps him in check with his Life/Defense. However, being a Thief means he’ll often fit nicely in builds with Vulture, Shadow Thief, or Scott Lang, who can cheaply take Glyphs off of Dack for no wounds.

One thing about this guy is that at the low cost of 150 points, and with access to a diverse range of Artifacts, on top of what you can do with other E-Glyph figures, it is very reminiscent of Magic the Gathering. A cheap spell can become very powerful in the right deck, and Dack is extremely fun to brainstorm builds around.
The Gift of Atlantis and Ocean master, the Latverian Life Spell and Doctor Fate (II), the Tome of Ancient Secrets and any Magical Defense character, etc.

I didn’t get much of an idea of Dack from game 2, so it’s hard to say exactly whether he should/could go up in points, but 150 minimum. Not much higher though, because he is so fragile.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Exactly the type of unit I have the most fun with.

Glad you enjoyed the first foray into MTG characters. Hope to keep the rest as interesting.

SirGalahad · #84 March 29th, 2022, 12:05 PM

In the character bio, it should be "dyed" not "died".

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