The Book of Zogross Hardscale

[caps]

OPPORTUNITY STRIKE 15
If an opponent's figure that is engaged with Zogross Hardscale targets any other figure you control with a normal attack, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 15 or higher, no dice are rolled for this attack, no defense dice are rolled, and the attacking figure receives one wound.

So, suppose Player 1's Sir Denrick is engaged with Player 2's Zogross. Can this scenario happen:

Player 1: "I think I'll attack this Armoc Viper here."
Player 2 rolls d20 and gets a 17
Player 2: "Take a wound."
Player 1: "Actually, I hadn't quite decided yet, I think I'd rather attack this other Armoc."
Player 2 rolls a d20 and gets a 19
Player 2: "Take another wound."
Player 1: "But I haven't even finally decided on who I want to attack yet!"

And it says "no dice are rolled for this attack," but what does that mean if the player targets another figure and then decides to target the original figure again. Is that still "this attack" or is it no longer "this attack" since he picked a different target to attack.

[The CEE]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

So, suppose Player 1's Sir Denrick is engaged with Player 2's Zogross. Can this scenario happen:

Player 1: "I think I'll attack this Armoc Viper here."
Player 2 rolls d20 and gets a 17
Player 2: "Take a wound."
Player 1: "Actually, I hadn't quite decided yet, I think I'd rather attack this other Armoc."
Player 2 rolls a d20 and gets a 19
Player 2: "Take another wound."
Player 1: "But I haven't even finally decided on who I want to attack yet!"

And it says "no dice are rolled for this attack," but what does that mean if the player targets another figure and then decides to target the original figure again. Is that still "this attack" or is it no longer "this attack" since he picked a different target to attack.

I would assume the intended purpose is that no attack can occur after a successful opportunity strike has been made.

[caps]

Originally Posted by The CEE

I would assume the intended purpose is that no attack can occur after a successful opportunity strike has been made.

Nope.

Originally Posted by 1Mmirg

You can choose to re-target and attack someone else (if available). (Targeting is pre-attack.)

The same is true of the Nakita's Smoke Powder. Its a revelation to me.

[The CEE]

Originally Posted by The CEE

Nope.

The same is true of the Nakita's Smoke Powder. Its a revelation to me.

That's a good point you bring up. If that's the case, I've been playing Zogross incorrectly. I'm not sure what would happen in the situation described in your original question.

[Shedim Kabal]

I'm not sure I have a problem with someone risking three wounds to attack the same figure again...

[caps]

Originally Posted by Shedim Kabal

I'm not sure I have a problem with someone risking three wounds to attack the same figure again...

Me neither, I'm just trying to figure out how it makes sense.

The situation with Nakita's confuses me almost as much.
"Maybe I want to attack the Nakita"
*rolls a 17*
"Nope."

At least in that situation, there's no wound inflicted.

[Grison]

[quote=capsocrates;1700570][quote=The CEE;1700560]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

Nope.

The same is true of the Nakita's Smoke Powder. Its a revelation to me.

This was news to me as well. In the case of Zogross, I think that the part of the wording that confuses me is "...no dice are rolled for this attack, no defense dice are rolled..." To me, this implies that the attack does occur; it's just that no dice are rolled. Thus, the attacking figure has attacked, and cannot attack again (absent double attack or similar abilities).

I'm not trying to argue, but given the card wording I think that an official clarification in the first post would be helpful.

[killercactus]

I think the scenario is different.

Targeting is part of attacking. The reason you could switch targets with a Nakita Agent is because Smoke Powder took away their hit zones. That's the only reason the attack doesn't continue, because it's no longer possible. With Zogross, nothing stops the attack from continuing past the "targeting" stage. Opportunity Strike just makes the attack and defense dice for that attack zero, and the attacking figure receives a wound.

[Xotli]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

So, suppose Player 1's Sir Denrick is engaged with Player 2's Zogross. Can this scenario happen:

Player 1: "I think I'll attack this Armoc Viper here."
Player 2 rolls d20 and gets a 17
Player 2: "Take a wound."
Player 1: "Actually, I hadn't quite decided yet, I think I'd rather attack this other Armoc."
Player 2 rolls a d20 and gets a 19
Player 2: "Take another wound."
Player 1: "But I haven't even finally decided on who I want to attack yet!"

The definition of "to target" is "to announce who you plan to attack." If the attacker truly hasn't decided who they want to attack, you shouldn't have rolled the die yet. If s/he had decided, and you rolled, it's too late at that point for the player to say "oh, no, wait, I changed my mind!" It would be like moving the figure, taking your fingers off the figure, and then saying, "no, wait, I didn't want to move there." You may choose to let them take it back if you like, to be nice, but the rules say, once the decision is made, it stands.

[caps]

Originally Posted by Xotli

The definition of "to target" is "to announce who you plan to attack." If the attacker truly hasn't decided who they want to attack, you shouldn't have rolled the die yet. If s/he had decided, and you rolled, it's too late at that point for the player to say "oh, no, wait, I changed my mind!" It would be like moving the figure, taking your fingers off the figure, and then saying, "no, wait, I didn't want to move there." You may choose to let them take it back if you like, to be nice, but the rules say, once the decision is made, it stands.

Except that seems to contradict the ruling on targeting figures. See this post, and the discussion that follows

Maybe I'm just blind?

Originally Posted by dnutt99

- SMOKE POWDER 13 : ‘Targeting’ Figures For an Attack
If I ‘target’ a Nakita Agent, (or any figure adjacent to a Nakita Agent), and they successfully roll Smoke Powder, can I target another figure not adjacent to a Nakita Agent and attack them?
Yes. Before attacking a Nakita Agent, (or adjacent figure), with a normal ranged attack, you must first declare that you are targeting that figure. If Smoke Powder is successfully rolled, you may then target and attack any other figure within range. (dnutt99)

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Target:

A figure with a Range of more than 1 must always target
a figure it is attacking unless the two figures are engaged. Certain
special powers may be triggered while a figure is targeting or is
targeted. Note: A figure is not declaring an attack while targeting, and
a figure may target one or more figures before it actually attacks.

That's the definition from the last rule book.

I've always heard that you don't target figures you're adjacent to at all. Which is why the Warforged don't use any kind of targeting language for tactical switch.

[Bro-man]

Out of curiosity, is his bio going to be put up soon?

Oh and I like the figure by the way. Seen him used in a tournament and he did well against the opponent.