The Book of Loki

[SirGalahad]

Originally Posted by whitestuff

Will having an extra 'X' marker on a team mess with the balance of the mutants with the fast healing?

Probably not, just don't put him with Riddler.

[Griffin]

I don't think we should use an "X" marker, I think we should use a new marker that looks exactly like a marker only is a "Trickster" marker, thereby avoiding extra synergies and also making it specific to Loki.

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

Which mini?

Mutant Mayhem 096 http://www.hcrealms.com/units/mm096.jpg Very Rare
Hammer of Thor 035 http://www.hcrealms.com/units/ha035.jpg Rare
Hammer of Thor 054 http://www.hcrealms.com/units/ha054.jpg Super Rare

I like Mutant Mayhem 096 best for the card, though it's not the one I have. I think the Hammer of Thor 035 is his female form, which I'd rather not use.

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by Griffin

I don't think we should use an "X" marker, I think we should use a new marker that looks exactly like a marker only is a "Trickster" marker, thereby avoiding extra synergies and also making it specific to Loki.

But the whole idea was for him to use that to manipulate others.

[A3n]

Originally Posted by Griffin

I would like to point out that some of my writeups at home have some Tricky weaknesses like Neron's Demon Deal power gives figures with the tricky personality an advantage. There are some other things like this and bound to be some more at some point, and it would be a shame for Loki to miss out on that. Can we please embrace the redundancy (which I think works well for this guy) and go back to GO's original idea of Tricky Trickster? I would very much prefer it for thematic reasons and also game mechanic reasons as well.

Why does Loki have to have those synergy's? I really like Treacherous for him, because I think that sums him up better then just tricky. I see him as more conniving then tricky, tricky is just the tool he uses to be Treacherous IMO.

But hey it's a game so if you think that he is going to be better served by synergies (positive or negative) with those people then speaketh so.

Cheers

[DEATHWALKER 1970]

In support of Hahma´s idea, Loki was responsible for creating both Absorbing Man and Wrecker, the first on purpose, the second by accident.

Just an idea about X order markers and trickery/deceit/manipulation... How about Loki placing X orders (or just any orders? maybe just one?) on opponents´ cards to intercept turns or for Loki to take an extra activation with that character? It would be fun and appropriate for him to turn his enemies against eachother...

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by DEATHWALKER 1970

In support of Hahma´s idea, Loki was responsible for creating both Absorbing Man and Wrecker, the first on purpose, the second by accident.

Just an idea about X order markers and trickery/deceit/manipulation... How about Loki placing X orders (or just any orders? maybe just one?) on opponents´ cards to intercept turns or for Loki to take an extra activation with that character? It would be fun and appropriate for him to turn his enemies against eachother...

I think something like that would have to have a chance of failure for it to be balanced, which most likely would mean a d20 roll. Automatic turns with an opponent's figure could get out of hand.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by A3n

Why does Loki have to have those synergy's? I really like Treacherous for him, because I think that sums him up better then just tricky. I see him as more conniving then tricky, tricky is just the tool he uses to be Treacherous IMO.

But hey it's a game so if you think that he is going to be better served by synergies (positive or negative) with those people then speaketh so.

Cheers

I don't think I'd cry if he wasn't a part of the Neuron synergy. In fact, as powerful as he's going to be, I don't think we necessarily want him getting a bunch of additional synergies - or worrying about keeping those synergies at a low enough power level that he doesn't end up abusing them.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I really like the OP exactly as is.

[DEATHWALKER 1970]

Originally Posted by GreyOwl

I think something like that would have to have a chance of failure for it to be balanced, which most likely would mean a d20 roll. Automatic turns with an opponent's figure could get out of hand.

Yeah, I should probably have mentioned a d20 roll in my first post...
I agree with Bats that the original writeup looks good, and I think the God of Evil part is GREAT!
It´s just that Loki is usually a "behind the scenes" kind of villain, manipulating others to do his dirty work, so I think god of Mischief could use a bit more oomph... getting the enemy to fight among themselves would be a Loki thing to do.
Taking turns is just one way of doing it, but another, more subtle possibility, could include negating synergy effects (because of the bickering/mistrust Loki causes)

GOD OF MISCHIEF
At the start of the round, when placing Order Markers, if you place at least one Order Marker on this card, you may place one additional "X" Marker on one of your cards. After revealing a numbered order marker on Loki, you may also reveal an X OM to roll the d20 for Mischief. If you roll 10 or higher, for the next turn/rest of the round, a chosen opponent may not use any power on any army card that gives any bonus, benefit or extra turns with any other army card that opponent controls.

(forgive the wording, just a rough idea, not even sure if it can be worded properly to avoid any misunderstandings...)

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... taking a shot at it ...

GOD OF MISCHIEF
At the start of the round, when placing Order Markers, if you place at least one Order Marker on this card, you may place one additional "X" Marker on one of your cards. After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn with Loki, you may also reveal an "X" Marker on this card and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 12 or higher, for the remainder of the round, when an Order Marker is revealed on an opponent's card, your opponent must take a turn with the figures on that card and cannot take any other turns with any other figures on any other Army Cards.

Still a little raw and quite long and I'm not sure where the D20 power should be, but a power that would force Professor X to take turns with Professor X would just be evil ...

[SirGalahad]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Hmm ... taking a shot at it ...

GOD OF MISCHIEF
At the start of the round, when placing Order Markers, if you place at least one Order Marker on this card, you may place one additional "X" Marker on one of your cards. After revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn with Loki, you may also reveal an "X" Marker on this card and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 12 or higher, for the remainder of the round, when an Order Marker is revealed on an opponent's card, your opponent must take a turn with the figures on that card and cannot take any other turns with any other figures on any other Army Cards.

Still a little raw and quite long and I'm not sure where the D20 power should be, but a power that would force Professor X to take turns with Professor X would just be evil ...

Or Red Skull

Do we want to restrict "move" synergies also (Martian Manhunter, Avalanche, etc.)?

[IAmBatman]

Nah, I think this version is powerful enough ... (maybe too powerful?)