The Book of Gorilla Grodd

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I think I understand where you're coming from here, but couldn't you say the same thing about Ne-Gok-Sa and Mindshackle? (Though, maybe you're not a fan of that design?).

Well at least with NGS you would still keep him, so he does have a benefit there, but the points I think you are missing A3n are these:
1) It IS what he does.
2) Wouldn't you trade a figure you paid less than 300 for for a more expensive unit like Thor?
3) You could also seriously justify the trade with even a cheaper unit if that unit is healthy and Grodd is near death, which brings me back to point number 1, that theme has been soooo consistent through all media of him getting hurt, lost, imprisoned, in trouble, etc, and just trading minds with Luthor, Flash, Superman, etc. And not only temporarily either. It has always been his plan to make the transfer permanent with Flash especially, and at one time it was permanent with one villain for about 1 year and a half.

[IAmBatman]

Would the power be more appealing if it required Grodd to have a certain number of wounds before he could use it?
He'd still be running around before that point trying to Mind Exchange.
Having both ME and CT on the same card would feel a bit odd in a way, though, since they're both kind of variations on the same theme.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Would the power be more appealing if it required Grodd to have a certain number of wounds before he could use it?
He'd still be running around before that point trying to Mind Exchange.
Having both ME and CT on the same card would feel a bit odd in a way, though, since they're both kind of variations on the same theme.

But they both appropriately fit the character. One is his meat and potatoes and the other is his desperate last meal.

[Hahma]

Well I certainly don't know the comic version of Grodd, just the cartoon versions, so I can't speak too much for how thematic this and that is and how true to the character this power is or not.

Would the power be more appealing if it required Grodd to have a certain number of wounds before he could use it?
He'd still be running around before that point trying to Mind Exchange.
Having both ME and CT on the same card would feel a bit odd in a way, though, since they're both kind of variations on the same theme

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If this were the route to go, I can see a # of wound requirement for the Transfer power. Otherwise it would be too easy to lock up opponent's figures with Blob, Mr. Fantastic, Gladiatrons etc. or tie them up with Rats/civilians etc and then just try to Transfer all the time.

Maybe we can hear from some other Heroes with some thoughts or comments.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah - we should probably wait and keep this one in the design phase for a while.

[whitestuff]

I don't mind a Tough power that adds 1 to all attacks.

I'm not a fan of Griff's idea for the card swapping. I'll give it more thought though...

[IAmBatman]

From Wikipedia:

"Grodd's psionic abilities allow him to place other beings under his mental control. Grodd can also project telekinetic force beams, telekinetically transmute matter, and transfer his consciousness into other bodies. He possesses great superhuman strength far exceeding that of an ordinary gorilla. He is a scientific genius who has mastered Gorilla City's advanced technology and who has created many incredible inventions of his own. He also uses guns."

Lots of directions we could go in there for powers if we wanted to.

[A3n]

I fully understand it is completely thematic (I will never argue that) but IMO it's a waste on the card to have that one power, which is a one-shot wonder, & have no other objective -- strategy wise -- but to swap his figure with another. It just doesn't make him an attractive draft in my books.

Cheers

[IAmBatman]

I can completely respect that and due to that sentiment am against the inclusion of that power on this card myself. I think Mind Exchange covers very similar territory and if Tough is not attractive to the group, we could find something else on that whole list of power options that is.

[Griffin]

Can we add one to the Mind Exchange roll for each wound on his card? I ask because I hate that ME doesn't work very often on Doom, and I would want this one to work better without being out of control with a low roll. Also, the theme of him getting more desperate with his attempts to mind control is pretty iconic in the comics.

[IAmBatman]

I like that - it helps differentiate it from the official power by inserting some of the positive aspects of Griff's CT power without bringing in the issues A3n had with it.
It'll need a new name, though ...

[A3n]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Can we add one to the Mind Exchange roll for each wound on his card? I ask because I hate that ME doesn't work very often on Doom, and I would want this one to work better without being out of control with a low roll. Also, the theme of him getting more desperate with his attempts to mind control is pretty iconic in the comics.

I love that idea. First post updated.

Cheers