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Old October 11th, 2019, 11:26 AM
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Public Playtest)

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Thanks for the tests!

That’s a loss at 170, and win at 165. I’d prefer we settle at either 165 or 170. Feel free to state your preferences and I’ll call for a vote tomorrow.
Looks like they were both played at 170
The totals for the first game were 760 vs. 755. So Scarecrow would be played at 5 points lower than 170, to match the total of the other team.
Ahh, I didn't check Army totals, just saw that he was listed at 170
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Old October 11th, 2019, 11:50 AM
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Public Playtest)

Ultimately looks like he will play fine at 165, 170, or 175.

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Old October 11th, 2019, 12:00 PM
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Public Playtest)

Pre-Yea at 170.

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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Public Playtest)

I propose a vote to move to Final Editing.
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Public Playtest)

yea

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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Vote for Final Edit)

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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Vote for Final Edit)

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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Vote for Final Edit)

This passes. I’ll get it taken care of when I get back from vacation. Can we get a wording check please and thanks?
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Final Edit)

I might go with Fear Toxic Injection 3 for the first power. May as well tag a number on there.

This is going to be one of the most nitpicky digressions ever, but I ended up on the "no change" side so you can skip this: the other two Scarecrow designs don't subtract from Defense, they cause the defending figure to roll fewer dice. I wanted this one to conform to that, but then there's the pip that subtracts from the Move and Attack numbers - I don't think there's a good way to cleanly pair those two reductions without calling them as numbers, and I'd want the power to be internally consistent, so subtract is the way to go here. This only makes a difference if there's powers that check Defense numbers (in the way Maxima checks Attack numbers).

There's a lot of "figures rolling dice" which we try to avoid. Here's a shot at cleaning that up and making a few other tweaks.

FEAR HALLUCINATIONS
For the entire game, any Hero other than Scarecrow with a Fear Marker on its card cannot roll for leaving engagement attacks, subtracts 1 from its Defense number and from any 20-sided die roll for that Hero for each Fear Marker on its card, and the player controlling that Hero must roll the 20-sided die before taking a turn with it. If that player rolls:
• 1 or lower, that Hero's turn immediately ends, and that player must roll X unblockable attack dice against it, where X is its remaining Life number.
• 2-5, that Hero cannot move, attack, or use any special powers this turn.
• 6-9, that Hero subtracts 2 from its Move and Attack numbers this turn, to a minimum of 1.
• 10 or higher, remove a Fear Marker from that Hero's card from the game.

Tell me if this reads poorly to anyone else - particularly the "20-sided die roll for that Hero" bit, because that's slightly uncharted territory unless I'm missing a precedent.

I changed the "unblockable attack dice against itself" which is kind of a shame because that communicated the theme clearly, but I think it still comes through?
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Breathing)

It does read funky to me johnny. Here are the changes I would recommend. Oh, and I'm good either way on having a number or not of FTI.
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FEAR TOXIN INJECTION
Start the game with 3 orange Fear Markers on this card. Instead of attacking, you may place a Fear Marker from this card onto the card of an adjacent Unique Hero that is not an Android or Construct, and does not have the Fearless or Insane personality.

FEAR HALLUCINATIONS
For the entire game, any Hero other than Scarecrow with one or more Fear Markers on its card cannot roll for leaving engagement attacks, and subtracts 1 from its Defense number and 20-sided die rolls for each Fear Marker on its card, and. Before taking a turn with a figure that has one or more Fear markers on its card, you must roll the 20-sided die before taking a turn with that figure. If ityou rolls:
• 1 or lower, that figure's turn immediately ends, and you must roll X unblockable attack dice against itself, w. Where X equals its remaining Life number.
• 2-5, theat figure cannot move, attack, or use any special powers this turn.
• 6-9, theat figure subtracts 2 from its Move and Attack numbersvalues this player turn, to a minimum of 1.
• 10 or higher, remove a Fear Marker from theat figure's card from the game.
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FEAR TOXIN INJECTION
Start the game with 3 orange Fear Markers on this card. Instead of attacking, you may place a Fear Marker from this card onto the card of an adjacent Unique Hero that is not an Android or Construct and does not have the Fearless or Insane personality.

FEAR HALLUCINATIONS
For the entire game, any Hero other than Scarecrow with one or more Fear Markers on its card cannot roll for leaving engagement attacks, and subtracts 1 from its Defense number and 20-sided die rolls for each Fear Marker on its card. Before taking a turn with a figure that has one or more Fear markers on its card, you must roll the 20-sided die before taking a turn with that figure. If you roll:
• 1 or lower, that figure's turn immediately ends, and you must roll X unblockable attack dice against it. Where X equals its remaining Life number.
• 2-5, that figure cannot move, attack, or use any special powers this turn.
• 6-9, that figure subtracts 2 from its Move and Attack values this player turn, to a minimum of 1.
• 10 or higher, remove a Fear Marker from that figure's card from the game.
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Final Edit)

I was going to say 170 or 175 so I'll also be fine with 170

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: The Book of Scarecrow (II) (Final Edit)

Here's a shot at wedding Karat and I's drafts:

FEAR HALLUCINATIONS
For the entire game, any Hero other than Scarecrow with a Fear Marker on its card cannot roll for leaving engagement attacks, and subtracts 1 from its Defense number and 20-sided die rolls for each Fear Marker on its card. Before taking a turn with a Hero that has a Fear Markers on its card, its controller must roll the 20-sided die. If that player rolls:
• 1 or lower, that Hero's turn immediately ends, and that player must roll X unblockable attack dice against it, where X is its remaining Life number.
• 2-5, that Hero cannot move, attack, or use any special powers this turn.
• 6-9, that Hero subtracts 2 from its Move and Attack numbers this turn, to a minimum of 1.
• 10 or higher, remove a Fear Marker from that Hero's card from the game.

Meaningful distinctions:

- I went with "hero" over "figure" in most cases because it's shorter.
- Karat's draft has the player that injected the Fear Marker rolling, mine has the player that controls the injected figure rolling. We can flip that around but we'll have to flip the numbers as well, and then the "subtract from the roll" stuff wouldn't work, which I assume is a goal.
- Numbers over values. I don't think we use vales, but correct me if I'm wrong.
- Karat shifted to "equals to" in the X explanation. That's something we use both ways, but "is" keeps things cleaner I think. This one is fine either way though.
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