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#109
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
Yeah, I do feel like he's stuck in counterdraft territory now. We really should beef up our investigator synergy.
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#110
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
Even when the thing he's meant to counter shows up, I'd rather fight it with Hercules most of the time.
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#111
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He'd be a lot better with some decent Investigator synergy though, as he'd be the strongest among them. My Repaints and Mods: Updated 1-13 My Custom Cards: Updated 4-15 My Custom Superheroes: Updated 1-13 My figure images for online games: Alliance figures, Utgar figures My Etsy Store |
#112
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I agree he is too much of a niche counter draft right now, blocking MD figures is cool and 8 base attack vs. Undead/Creatures/Demons/Huge figures is nice but lots of strong army builds don't feature any of those units. His ranged attack being a SA that sometimes doesn't even work, and when it does isn't all that strong hurts him too. I wish he were priced closer to what he does vs. everyone else and when those units show up he just over performs a bit. I don't think Investigator synergy can save him either. Is there a price point where you would draft the card as is? My first instinct when considering the cards general purpose use is it's closer to a 320 point card. Maybe bump that up to 330 to account for the few times he gets to face his primary foes. That is still a 30 point miss on costing, which is why no one ever drafts him anymore in my games. And why I have to come up with some limited draft parameters in order to make him a more viable choice. |
#113
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
Yeah I think we used him once years ago and never again. A big shame as he's an awesome character.
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#114
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
Honestly, I think this guy and Judge Death are a couple of the few cases where I think we're highly justified reevaluating underpowered units, particularly due to the fact that they're effectively headliners for their respective universes (Hellboy as the main hero and Judge Death as the main villain).
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#115
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It is pretty valuable against the Magneto/Magma combo, more so before Lava got fiddled with twice. Though I feel most people just don't play that combo because Molten Lava is stupid. Quote:
If he gets decent Investigator synergy that would make me a lot more likely to draft him than any point change. Wouldn't be super thrilled that he didn't really do anything, but he'd at least have a place as the Investigator team's beatstick. My Repaints and Mods: Updated 1-13 My Custom Cards: Updated 4-15 My Custom Superheroes: Updated 1-13 My figure images for online games: Alliance figures, Utgar figures My Etsy Store |
#116
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
Are reevaluation requests still a thing that happens? Is it worth revisiting the points here?
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#117
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
I'm thinking a version 2 is more likely.
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#118
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Yes and we are pretty close on finishing up any over powered cards. That is priority one. With the CRB we don't really have any new issues coming up. We've been hesitant to start under powered cards as we've discovered for most of those the better options were to design a new version or design support pieces that make the first version work. Personally I'm on the side that thinks if a card can be fixed with a price increase/decrease and nothing else that its' worth the effort but it looks like this isn't one of those so we are back to Version 2 or as SG-1 pointed out...Create a synergy for him to work with. Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
#119
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#120
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Re: The Book of Hellboy
I don't think synergy's gonna turn him into an a-lister or anything, but it would give him a niche.
I'd definitely take the approach of implementing some synergy for him before doing a Hellboy (II) - not that I have anything against an eventual second version, but implementing the BPRD as a faction that can help him out before doing another Hellboy lets the second one really be designed with both the faction and differentiation from Hellboy (I) in mind. Also, creating some synergy would help out the other syenrgy-less investigators (man I gotta get on X-Factor stuff). Also also, Margloth's been posting some really cool BPRD designs in the sanctum and I'd love to see something come of those. |
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