The Book of Raiden

[Arkham]

I'm not going to repeat why there's still certain trade off elements at play, refer to my prior post for that.

The design passed into Initial testing, including your approval. I spent the time to run 4 games to garner results. The results show that it's not a balance, competitive, fun, or theme concern.

[Ronin]

You don't check victory conditions until the end of the turn, so Raiden popping in after a figure is destroyed wouldn't pressure him to show up early. He would still be able to safely show up after the last figure is destroyed, with that timing.

Personally, I prefer him as a sure thing rather than as a gamble. If we were talking about a cheap figure, that'd be one thing. But if you're paying almost 400 points for the dude, he should absolutely hit the battlefield. I don't think that's a crazy indulgence.

It's a strong effect, but as long as we're pricing it right, I don't see how it's in any way harmful to the game.

[Tornado]

It is really strong. We need to focus on the best setup build.

[Arkham]

Gonna need a couple of votes here.

[Arkham]

Thoughts on cancelling this? May just call it good on the MK release as we have 4 completed designs and this seems to have little interest/support.

[Lazy Orang]

I really, really like the design and am really, really excited to see the character. I'd hate to see it canned - the only reason I haven't been commenting more is because I've been spending the last few days celebrating Winter Solstice with my family.

[Tornado]

Holidays are tough.
Try tagging some folks.

[Ronin]

I think some of it is just that you're up against the holidays right now, yeah. I know you've got a lot of interest in MK from folks who aren't Heroes, so I wouldn't be too quick to drop it.

Definitely sympathize, though - had a little trouble drumming up some interest in Cassie as well.

[johnny139]

Personally, I'm fine with him staying off the battlefield until after everyone is dead. I get the balance concern - figures being untouchable is a real flag for me, as mentioned during the Abstract Heroes conversation - so while this is on the border I don't think it crosses the line, if only because he has zero board impact until he arrives.

But, considering YK is a Hero and his Yea is required to pass to On Deck, I'm waiting to see his response before making any motions toward testing.

[Margloth]

Theoretically the opposing team also has a 400 point advantage until Raider enters the game as well. As Ronin said, appropriate pricing should take care of any issues here. His points may creep up and I would definitely tag some of our craftier army builders to see if there is a definitively abusive build.

[quozl]

I'd like to see some comments from the CRB.

[Tornado]

Should powers that allow a figure 'to start/live off board' be added to the CRB list?