The Book of Terminator (Guardian)

[Yodaking]

@Soundwarp SG-1 would be the one to ask about any potential 'draft a figure to protect and then kill them on purpose' exploits.

[IAmBatman]

Ah, yes, good. No real reason to Soundwarp it and kill your own guy, then. Though it does seem perfectly viable to leave the Terminator in your start zone until you own guy is killed.

[IAmBatman]

Though I guess, strategically, it makes sense to take advantage of the bonus movement and make his charge someone you want to move but not attack with, whether it's because they have a useful passive aura or they do something after moving before attacking, etc. So maybe not a real concern.

Who's been chosen as charges so far?

[Yodaking]

Initial PT
Puppet Master
Abigail Brand
Forge

Jekyll PT
Blink
Angel

Red PT (mentioned on discord, not turned in)
Lex Luther
?

[Soundwarp SG-1]

There's no reason to kill your own Charge as an opening move or whatnot. Like it might come up in a game at some point, but if you don't want a Charge at all you can just not draft anything that meets the requirements.

The Charge thing is a positive though, like the limit on who he can attack isn't something that needs to be cheated around, the important thing is gaining some efficiency on turns you have to take on sub-optimal attackers. Like otherwise, he's just a fairly standard attacker that you could swap out with a bunch of other dudes.

Joker I, Ozymandias, Riddler I, anything like that would make a strong pairing I think.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

PROTECTION PROGRAMMING
At the start of the game, you must choose a Medium or Small Unique Hero without the Super Strength or Flying Special Powers you control to be the Terminator's Charge. After a numbered Order Marker is revealed on the Charge's card, instead of attacking with his Charge, you may take a turn with Terminator. If its Charge is on the battlefield, the Terminator may only attack figures within 6 spaces of its Charge. Figures engaged with the Terminator may not make Leaving Engagement Attacks.

Just to kinda pitch that line, cause I like it, I think you could do a John Connor that looks something like this;

HOPE FOR THE FUTURE
All Rebels and Protectors you control within 6 clear sigh spaces of John Connor add 1 to their Attack and Defense numbers.

SURVIVOR 2
After John Connor rolls defense dice against an opponent's attack, you may move him up to 2 spaces.

And I think it would pair really well.

[Yodaking]

Yeah, I didn't say it was useless only that I did not use it in my tests. Only considered dropping it if people wanted to add something else in. I like that power set for John.


Thanks for the feedback SW!

[IAmBatman]

Oooh, yes please to that John. Definitely a figure this Terminator wants around and alive.

[Yodaking]

I'm going to just change the thread title (and all other relevant places) to Terminator (Guardian) to prevent future confusion about the class.

[Yodaking]

For the mini background, I'm thinking something like a subway station. Kind of shows he's out and about in normal human situations when he's attacked and has to whip out the shotgun to defend someone.

[Yodaking]

From Redstang:



C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Terminator - Protector

Army Test
Map: Grundy’s Grave
Units: Team A: Lex Luthor 100, Terminator, Ursa, Non, Hired Guns, Bodyguards x2 -1,030 Points
Team B: Superman (400), Batman (III), Cyborg (II), Grean Arrow (I) – 1,030 points
Battle Summary
The teams spent the first round moving into battle positions, Lex using his kryptonite control and bond with Terminator to move Non and Terminator with the Body guards staying close to Lex. Batman throws the first punch on Non and fails to wound him. Green Arrow also fails to wound Non. Lex controls Non and wounds Batman. In the third round, Superman lands a strong blow on Non and puts 4 wounds on him, Lex tries to control Superman, but Batman negates the D20 roll with a JL marker, Terminator then attacks and destroys Batman. With Batman gone, Lex is able to control Superman and place wounds on Cyborg and Green Arrow, but Superman breaks free of the red kryptonite and destroys Non. Green Arrow snipes a Bodyguard and Lex fails to control Superman, but Terminator uses his Combat Shotgun SA to put a wound on Green Arrow. Green Arrow snipes another Bodyguard before Terminator rolls a double skull on his Special Attack and destroys Green Arrow. Lex finishes the round by successfully controlling Superman and rolling 6 skulls against Cyborg, destroying Cyborg. Superman and Ursa throw down in the 5th round, and Superman gets the best of Ursa, but not before she uses her dagger to put three wounds on him. Terminator hits a double skull on his special attack and also puts 2 wounds on Supes. Terminator hits another double skull on his special attack and destroys Superman to win the game in the 6th round.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes):
After 6 Rounds, Team Lex wins; remaining figures = Terminator with 5 Life remaining, Lex with all life remaining, all 4 Hired Guns.

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Army Test
Map: Grundy’s Grave
Units: Team A: Black Mask (II), Poision Ivy (II), Animated Vines, Killer Croc, Purple Man, Terminator – 955 points
Team B: Aquaman (II), Mera, Aqualad (170), Aqualad (60), Atlantean Palace Guards – 960 points

Battle Summary
The first 2 and 1/3 rounds were spent by both teams moving and posturing for battle. Aquaman took the first swing attacking Purple Man and inflicting a wound, he attempted to attack Purple Man a second time and Purple Man used his Reactive Mind Control to move Aquaman adjacent to Killer Croc. Black Mask then has Terminator attack Aquaman with his special attack, inflicting 3 wounds on Aquaman. Poision then moves her vines and moves herself with Black Mask’s Underworld Connections and engages Aquaman, but fails on her attack and on Toxic Love. The Palace Guards are able to strike back, inflicting 3 wounds on Terminator and 1 wound on Black Mask. Black Mask has Terminator finish the job on Aquaman, destroying him with his special attack as well as a Palace Guard. Ivy moves her vines and herself and is able to kill off another two Palace Guards with her plant animation. In the 4th round, Terminator finishes off the last palace guard, but not before taking another wound. Ivy is able to place a wound on Mera, but Mera strikes back and almost destroys Ivy putting 4 wounds on her. Things get dark for Mera her with Black Mask using Terminator and Ivy to destroy her before the end of the round. Ivy is able to heal herself once, but loses a Vine before the game is over. Terminator is destroyed by Aqualad (170) special attack in the 6th round before Black Mask and Croc get involved to end the game.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes):
After 6 Rounds, The Criminals win; figures remaining = Black Mask with 2 life remaining, Poison Ivy with 3 life remaining, 2 Vines, Croc all life remaining, Purple Man 3 life remaining.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Drafted into the right team build Terminator punches above his weight of 210, possibly 220-230. Even without the right figure to bond with, his high life and Combat Shotgun Special Attack keep him fairly draftable. 3 Defense feels low for a figure that is supposed to have a nearly indestructible skeleton, but his unstoppable resilience keeps him in the game.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I really like him with the low point leaders I used in the playtests as his charges. I find it funny how he pairs well with crime lords and masterminds, but it is completely Lex to have a reprogrammed Terminator fighting his battles for him.

[Yodaking]

From CzarChasm:



Hi Yoda. All finished and I really enjoyed him. I hope you find this useful.

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Terminator (T-800)

Army Test
Map: Ivy’s Greenhouse
Units: TEAM 1: Terminator (210), Puppet Master (140), Awesome Android (250), Weather Wizard (100) vs TEAM 2: Leonardo (210), Donatello (150), Raphael (170), Michelangelo (170)

Spoiler Alert!

Terminator chooses Puppet Master as his charge.
Round 1: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: WW moves. Leo and Don move.
Turn 2: PM moves, Term moves, AA moves twice. Raph moves.
Turn 3: PM moves, Term moves, AA moves. Mikey moves.

Round 2: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: Leo moves, Don moves. PM moves, Term moves SA Don,1W.
Turn 2: Raph moves, A AA, 1W Raph A AA, 0W. PM, Term moves SA Don, 0W, AA A Raph, 0W.
Turn 3: Mikey moves. PM, Term SA Don, 1W, AA A Raph, 0W.

Round 3: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: PM, Term SA Don, 0W, AA A Raph, 4W! Leo moves, A Term, 1W, Leo A Term, 0W, Don moves, Raph A AA, 0W, Raph A AA, 0W, Mikey moves.
Turn 2: PM, T moves A Don, 0W
Turn 3: PM, Term A Don, 1W, AA A Raph, 4W Raph dead.

Round 4: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: PM, Term A Don, 2W Don dead. Leo moves, A PM, 1W, Leo A PM, 4W PM dead, Mikey moves, A T, 0W.
Turn 2: Leo A Term, 0W, Leo A Term, 0W.
Turn 3: AA moves.

Round 5: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: AA moves, A Leo, 2W. Leo A AA, 0W, Leo A AA, 0W, Mikey A AA, 0W, Mikey A AA, 1W.
Turn 2: AA A Leo, 3W Leo dead.
Turn 3: AA A Mikey, 0W, Mikey causes 3W with L and S, AA dead.

Round 6: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: Mikey A Term, 2W. Term moves, Term SA Mikey, 1W, Term SA Mikey, 2W.
Turn 2: Mikey A Term, 1W. Term Moves, Term SA Mikey, 0W, Term SA Mikey, 0W.
Turn 3: Mikey A Term, 1W, Mikey A Term, 0W. Term moves, Term SA Mikey, 2W Mikey dead.

Summary: I really enjoyed the Terminator, Puppet Master, Awesome Android combo and I would have been able to get in 4 strong attacks once in a while had I not stupidly forgotten that Terminator could attack twice with his special attack until the last round, but, even so, he still came out with a decent win. His special attack is powerful, his resilience is very strong and very 'terminatory' but what does he do to protect? Once the turtles got to Puppet Master he went down quickly and there was nothing Terminator could do about it.

Damage Done: (Normal Attack): 2 wounds. (Special Attack): 7 wounds.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE: I didn't keep track, sorry, but it was very useful and soaked up a lot of wounds.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Terminator with 1/6 life and Weather Wizard with full life.

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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Team 1: Terminator (210), Green Arrow (150), Red Arrow (150), Black Canary (190) (700) vs Team 2: 2 x Grizzly Sharks (240), 3 x Daleks (450) (690)

Spoiler Alert!

Terminator chooses Green Arrow as his charge.
Round 1: Team 1 wins int.
Turn 1: RA moves. GS moves.
Turn 2: GA moves, Term moves. D move.
Turn 3: GA moves, GA A GS, 0W. GS moves, GS A RA, 4W RA dead.

Round 2: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: GA, Term moves, Term SA GS, 2W, Term SA GS, 0W. GS moves, GS A BC, 1W.
Turn 2: GA moves, Term moves, Term SA GS, 2W GS dead. D move.
Turn 3: GA moves, GA A D, 0W. D A Term, 2W, D A GA, 1W.

Round 3: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: BC moves, BC SA D, 0W. GS moves, GS A BC, 3W BC dead.
Turn 2: D SP GA, 0W, D SP GA, 0W.
Turn 3: GA moves, Term moves, Term SA D, 0W, Term SA D, 2W D dead. D move, D A Term, 0W.

Round 4: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: D move x 2. GA moves, Term SA D, 0W, Term SA D, 0W.
Turn 2: D move x 2. GA, Term SA D, 0W, Term SA D, 0W.
Turn 3: D move x 2. GA moves, GA A D, 1W D dead.

Round 5: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: D move x 2, D SP Term, 0W. GA moves, GA A D, 1W D dead.
Turn 2: D move x 2, D A GA, 0W, D A Term, 1W. GA, Term SA D, 2W D dead, Term SA GS, 2W.
Turn 3: D move x 2, D SP GA, 2W. GA A D, 2W D dead.

Round 6: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: Term moves, Term SA GS, 4W GS dead.
Turn 2: Term moves, D moves.
Turn 3: GA moves, Term A D, 0W. D moves, D A Term, 0W.

Round 7: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: D moves SP Term, 0W. GA A D, 2W D dead.

Summary: I had planned on using Green Arrow, Red Arrow, Black Canary and Terminator in all sorts of different combos but Red Arrow and Black Canary were taken out pretty quickly. Again Terminator didn't do much protecting as Green Arrow was able to look after himself taking out 4 of the 6 Daleks.

Damage Done: (Normal Attack): 0 wounds. (Special Attack): 13 wounds.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE: I didn't keep track, sorry, but it was very useful and soaked up a lot of wounds.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Terminator with 3/6 life and Green Arrow with 1/4 life.

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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Team 1: Terminator (210), Doctor Who (160), Comedian (160) (530) vs Team 2: Talia Al Ghul (110), Elektra (170), 3 x Hand Ninja (255) (535)

Spoiler Alert!

Terminator chooses Doctor Who as his charge

Round 1: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW moves, Term moves. TG moves, HN move x 3.
Turn 2: CM moves. EK moves, HN move x 3.
Turn 3: CM moves. TG moves HN move x 3.

Round 2: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW moves, Term moves, Term SA HN, 1W HN dead, Term SA HN, 2W HN dead. TG A Term, 2W, HN move x 3, HN A Term, 2W.
Turn 2: DW moves, heals 2W from Term. TG moves, TG A DW, 2W, 0W, 0W, HN move, HN A Term, 2W.
Turn 3: CM A HN, 2W HN dead. TG moves, TG A DW, 0W, 0W, 0W, HN move, HN A CM, 0W, 1W, 0W.

Round 3: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW heals 2W from Term. EK moves, EK A CM, 0W. HN move, HN A CM, 1W, 0W, 0W.
Turn 2: Term SA HN, 0W, 1W HN dead. EK A CM, 3W CM dead. HN move, HN A Term, 1W, HN A DW, 2W.
Turn 3: EK moves, EK A DW, 0W. HN move, HN A DW, 0W, HN A Term, 0W.

Round 4: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: DW heals 2W from Term. TG moves, TG A Term, 0W, HN move, HN A DW, 0W, 1W, 1W DW dead.
Turn 2: Term moves, Term SA HN, 1W HN dead, Term SA HN, 2W HN dead. EK moves, EK A Term, 0W, HN move, HN A Term, 0W.
Turn 3: Term SA E, 3W, 2W EK dead. TG moves, TG A Term, 1W,0W,0W, HN move, HN A Term, 2W, 0W, 1W.

Round 4: Team 2 win int.
Turn 1: TG A Term, 0W,0W,0W, HN A Term, 0W, 0W, 0W. Term SA TG, 2W, 0W.
Turn 2: TG A Term, 0W, 0W, 0W, HN A Term 0W, 0W, 0W. Term SA TG, 3W TG dead, Term SA HN, 3W HN dead.
Turn 3: HN A Term, 0W, 0W. T SA HN, 0W, 1W HN dead.

Round 5: Team 1 win int.
Turn 1: Term SA HN 3W, HN dead.

Summary: The Terminator/Doctor Who combo was great. The Doctor healed 6 wounds from him and that def turned the game. Terminator took out Elektra, Talia and 5 Ninjas by himself once Comedian and the Doctor went down.

Damage Done: (Normal Attack): 0 wounds. (Special Attack): 24 wounds.

UNSTOPPABLE RESILIENCE: I didn't keep track, sorry, but it was even stronger against the ninjas weak attack than in the previous games. It easily soaked up at least 6 wounds as well as effectively giving him disengage.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Terminator with 1/6 life left.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I really enjoyed him, he feels like the Terminator and I would def draft him. He might be a bit undercosted as he was on the winning side all 3 games and was able to take and deal a lot of damage.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I really like him but he doesn’t feel like it hits the protector theme. Shouldn't he have a power like he attacks anyone who comes within 6 spaces of his charge, or maybe a power like Superman's heroic duty but only for your charge? I think it would be very thematic for him to sacrifice himself to save his charge.