The Book of Talon (Uncommon)

[johnny139]

Yeah, I would definitely consider them undead - more on the Frankenstein side than the zombie side, but they qualify for sure.

I like this iteration, and I do think it's cleaner than the markers. I would kind of like him to be more viable as a solo figure, since the Talons are used pretty interchangeably as either "one big scary dude" or "huge swarm of not so scary dudes," but nothing springs to mind for an alternate trigger on Assassin's Mark.

[IAmBatman]

Well, nature of the game we play, he has to be in an army, and the boost is general enough that you can use it with Assassins other than Talons -- many of which are in the Batman universe.

[tcglkn]

One of the things I like most about this design is the 3 life so you can use the Court of Owls' Resurrect twice with them.

[johnny139]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Well, nature of the game we play, he has to be in an army, and the boost is general enough that you can use it with Assassins other than Talons -- many of which are in the Batman universe.

Yeah, true enough. And frankly this iteration is a bit too cheap to really be a standalone threat to Batman either way - I think there's two versions of this mini, so the door is open for a Lincoln March in the 200 range that would check the "solo Talon" box for me.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

I feel like with the Court, you can still have this Talon work as a 'one big scary dude' to a degree. Like coming back to life twice and ignoring a bunch of wounds is no joke. And they don't really require multiples (or even other assassins), they trigger their own boost in melee so it's not like a dead power or anything.

I'm planning on eventually doing the named Talons that will be beefyier and more standalone (to the degree anything can be in Heroscape). There's a separate mini for William Cobb at least already.

Anyway, I'm going to propose the vote of the initial of the playtesting.

[tcglkn]

Yea when you do the checklists.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Oh, yeah forgot about that. I'll get that in a second.

[Tornado]

Yea. After checklists.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

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Yes, you can 'teleport' them around, but it's fairly limited.

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2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?

Nope

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They get a bit more than average out of extra defense, but not to a particularly crazy level.

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Nope


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Nope

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Nope

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Unstoppable Resilience can cause some problems in really narrow circumstances, but nothing really super worrisome.

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?

Not really

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?

Nope

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?

Nothing going on here. I actually didn't even let them trigger Assassination Tactics on friendlies even though it really wouldn't have mattered

You could maybe use them as good targets for certain powers with thanks to Unstoppable Resilience, but Jason can already do that.

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[Arch-vile]

yea

[IAmBatman]

yea 140-150 seems about right to me from the calculator.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

pass this does