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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

One thing I just thought of,
Are there any powers that would also change Tom's class start of game that could break him a bit?
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

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Are there any powers that would also change Tom's class start of game that could break him a bit?
Apocalypse.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Also, Stan Lee can change his and Yondu can make anyone without SS a Pirate, but only one figure, so that'd just let Black Tom work with Pirates.

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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Okay, I think if you're drafting Apocalypse that's gonna be your focus. Also Black Tom Cassidy in a Pirate army would actually be pretty fun, he has a piratey name already.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

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There's not much that can change classes in the time frame that matters, right now.

It's not something I'd really be worried about even if there are more options there. It's not like his current class is a low powered one.

Like if he's going to be broken it's cause you can do some meaty chain bonding with him, chain bonding with different options doesn't really move the needle to much IMO.


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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Also him being an all important Horseman, but also running a side hustle would not be off character.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

I'll hit this initial in a day or two
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Black Tom Cassidy

Version tested:
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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Mystique 200, Gambit 215, Magneto375, Destiny 55, Black Tom 160 VS Classic X-Men
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Army Test
Map: Ravaged Road
Units: Hush, Klaw, Wizard, Juggernaut 340, Black Tom VS Luke Cage, Songbird, Wolverine 280, Daredevil 200, Spider-Man 250
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Mastermind, Pyro, Destiny, Magneto 375, Whirlwind, Black Tom VS Cyclops 240, Wolverine 280, Colossus 260, Harpoon, Angel
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Overall I really enjoyed playing Black Tom. He works great with Magneto, who happens to be one of my favorite characters to play. He also works well with other Outcasts like Juggernaut, giving him some new life. There are many Criminal and Mutant synergies available to him, so team building is not an issue. His powers are easy to understand and are all usable in just about every game. When paired with Magneto, Tom's Special Attack is a force. It was less powerful in game two without Magneto setting the table. I recommend moving forward with playtesting at 160. His special attack was really strong,but it may have been that he was in the perfect situation for him, playing with Magneto and maps with trees.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

Awesome, I'm glad he played well! Looks like he's pretty heavy with Magneto. I don't have strong feelings either way, but if we wanted to weaken that bond we could change his partner's turn from before to after him. I'd like him to be best with Juggernaut, but if people enjoy him with Magneto as well that's good too.
Right now I'm good with charging on ahead to public at 160 and making that change if he keeps winning and we need to tamp him down to stay at 160. Mainly a test with few/no trees to see how well he does without the bonus and asomething to see how well he can exploit Criminal chain bonding would be interesting to see next.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

I agree the swap of turns would make a big difference in who you want to team him with. Astute observation. Probably best to make him go first in general I think cause Magneto is always gonna be his best partner otherwise. Switching turns will keep Magneto as a good partner cause Magneto is good, but he won’t be the default.
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Re: The Book of Black Tom Cassidy - Waiting for Initial

I do think it'd be nice to de-emphasize Magneto a little, and it seems like he'll always have a big foothold. (Mags is the baddest Outcast in town, and his throw sets Tom up nicely for an AoE blast.)

Changing the bonding might help a little bit, but it could also help to give them a nudge. Not to complicate the design too much, but any interest in something like this?
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At the start of the game you may choose a Unique Hero in your army that shares a class with Black Tom. For the rest of the game, both Black Tom Cassidy and the chosen Hero have the class of Criminal in addition to what is listed on their cards. After revealing an Order Marker on the card of the chosen Hero and taking a turn with it, you may take a turn with Black Cassidy, during which figures that were attacked by the chosen Hero this player turn subtract 1 from their Defense number. You may not take any additional turns.
So pushes him towards the Outcast that can do a big multi-attack thing, and away from the one that does an "instead of attacking" thing.
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