The Book of Deathstrike Thrall

[Xotli]

Originally Posted by vegietarian18

A Deathstrike uses RTTGSA on Tul-Bak-Ra. He gets a wound. Can TBR use Teleport Reinforcements to bring a Marro to the same place that the Deathstrike stood/stands on?

Speaking not as a C3V Rules Team member, but just as a bloke with an opinion, I think so. I'm not sure I can adequately articulate why though.

[Son of Arathorn]

Originally Posted by Xotli

Speaking not as a C3V Rules Team member, but just as a bloke with an opinion, I think so. I'm not sure I can adequately articulate why though.

Because Return to Grave Special Attack says to remove the figure after attacking, and Teleport Reinforcements says to place the figures after receiving wounds?

[awesomeunleashed]

I'd say myself that "after attacking" happens after wounds are dealt, and so after Teleport.

[kevindola]

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

I'd say myself that "after attacking" happens after wounds are dealt, and so after Teleport.

Is there a precedent somewhere for differentiating or not differentiating between attacking and receiving wounds?

In my mind they would be separate so the order would go:

attack
after attack abilities
wounds received (if applicable)
after wounds received abilities

.....Unless the combat dice rolled/resolution of wounds all constitute the 'attack'

[vegietarian18]

Originally Posted by Son of Arathorn

Because Return to Grave Special Attack says to remove the figure after attacking, and Teleport Reinforcements says to place the figures after receiving wounds?

Originally Posted by awesomeunleashed

I'd say myself that "after attacking" happens after wounds are dealt, and so after Teleport.

Yeah, this is really the problem. Are attacking and receiving wounds one simultaneous action? If so, then TBR cannot use his power. If not, he can.

[dalu]

Let's take a look at all other "after attacking" powers, do they trigger before, when or after wounds are dealt ?

Battle Frenzy (Frost Giant of Morh) --> after

After attacking with this Frost Giant of Morh, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher, you may attack again with this Frost Giant of Morh.

Toxic Skin (Kee-Mo-Shi) --> after

After attacking, you must roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to Kee-Mo-Shi. If you roll a 17 or higher, that figure receives one wound. Soulborgs are not affectd by Toxic Skin.

Mortal Strike (Master of the Hunt) --> after

After attacking an opponent's Unique Hero with this Master of the Hunt's normal attack, roll 1 attack die for each wound inflicted in that attack. For each additional skull rolled, place 1 additional wound marker on the defending figure's Army Card.

Arcane Bolt Special Attack (Sharwin Wildborn) --> after

Range 5 + Special. Attack 3. The first target of Arcane Bolt Special Attack must be within a Range of 5. After attacking with Arcane Bolt Special Attack, if the defending figure receives at least 1 wound, you may choose a figure that was adjacent to the defending figure at the beginning of that attack and attack that chosen figure with Arcan Bolt Special Attack. You may continue attacking with Arcane Bolt Special Attack in this manner until you fail to inflict a wound. A figure cannot be attacked more than once in a turn with Arcane Bolt Special Attack.

Gunner Special Attack (Mok) --> after

Range 5. Attack 3. After attacking normally, Mok may attack with Gunner Special attack once for each Dwarf figure on this card. While engaged, Mok may target and attack non-adjacent figures with Gunner Special Attack. Mok cannot attack the same figure twice with Gunner Special Attack.

Plasma Surge (Havech Eradicators) --> after (because if you roll a 18-20 you must know if the first target is still alive or not)

After attacking a non-adjacent figure with a Havech Eradicator you control, you must roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-6, destroy that Havech Eradicator. If you roll a 7-17, that Havech Eradicator is safe. If you roll an 18-20, you may attack again with that Havech Eradicator.

So I suppose that:
Return To The Grave Special Attack (Deathstrike Thrall) should also trigger after

Range 1. Attack 6. After attacking with Return to the Grave Special Attack, destroy the attacking Deathstrike Thrall.

Let's now also take a look at Teleport Reinforcements (Tul-Bak-Ra) --> it trigggers when wounds are dealt.

When Tul-Bak-Ra receives one or more wounds from an opposing figure's Normal or Special Attack but is not destroyed, you may choose one friendly Marro Squad figure for every wound Tul-Bak-Ra just received. Place the chosen figure(s) on any empty space(s) adjacent to Tul-Bak-Ra. If the teleported figure(s) are engaged, they will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

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Back to the question:

Originally Posted by vegietarian18

A Deathstrike uses RTTGSA on Tul-Bak-Ra. He gets a wound. Can TBR use Teleport Reinforcements to bring a Marro to the same place that the Deathstrike stood/stands on?

My answer is NO.

The sequence is:
1) The Deathstrike Thrall attacks Tul-Bak-Ra with RTTGSA.
2) Wounds are dealt, Tul-Bak-Ra can use Teleport Reinforcements when wounds are dealt.
3) The Deathstrike Thrall is destroyed after wounds are dealt.

[vegietarian18]

Mortal Strike is the most convincing; it says "After attacking... for each wound inflicted in that attack". That implies that attacking and placing wounds ARE one and the same. Thanks dalu.

[Arch-vile]

Skull Demon synergy needs added here.

[awesomeunleashed]

"Needs added"?

Fixed. The Preyblood and Nick need it also, though I can't edit those.

[Arrow Grut]

So... What IS a thrall?

[Serenity]

a. One, such as a slave or serf, who is held in bondage.
b. One who is intellectually or morally enslaved.

[caps]

Originally Posted by Arrow Grut

So... What IS a thrall?

Reading the bios for Nicholas and the two Thralls should help, but they are basically zombies created by Nicholas when he kills people. Does that answer your question?