HoME General Discussion Thread

[infectedsloth]

Yes.

[caps]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

I propose we move the following version of Gandalf forward:

@faure , @elvenwizard9 , @White Knight : , @infectedsloth , @Son of Arathorn : , capsocrates :

Let's see some votes!

I believe it is now safe to say that this proposal passes.

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There are a few votes still waiting on you guys in some of the other threads.

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Noted, faure. Sorry to see you go. Hopefully you will be able to come back to us before too long.

[caps]

@TREX here is a summary of the current status of HoME designs:

Gandalf is in Playtesting.

Spoiler Alert!

THE WORKBOOK OF GANDALF (THE GREY)
(Under Construction)

DESIGNER = White Knight

Lord of the Rings Set

FIGURE USED FOR UNIT: Gandalf, The Hobbit Heroclix set

NAME = GANDALF
GENERAL = JANDAR
SPECIES = MAIA
PLANET = ARDA
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = WIZARD
PERSONALITY = WISE
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

STATS, MASTER/BASIC
LIFE = 6
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 3
POINTS = 130

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
All figures adjacent to Gandalf are affected by Blazing Strike Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. At the end of your turn, after using Blazing Strike Special Attack, you may move Gandalf up to 4 spaces. Gandalf does not take leaving engagement attacks when moving this way.

LEADERSHIP
After taking a turn with Gandalf, you may move up to 4 small or medium figures you control up to 4 spaces each. Any figures moved by Leadership must end their movement within 3 spaces of Gandalf. Figures moved by Leadership do not take leaving engagement attacks.

Merry and Pippin are in Playtesting. I think @infectedsloth has abandoned them, so they are ready for adoption. I imagine that if no current members wanted them, an active playtester could probably snatch them up.

Spoiler Alert!

Originally Posted by infectedsloth

THE WORKBOOK OF MERIADOC BRANDYBUCK
(Under Construction)

DESIGNER = Infectedsloth

Lord of the Rings Set

FIGURE USED FOR UNIT: Merry, from The Hobbit Heroclix set

NAME = MERIADOC BRANDYBUCK
GENERAL = EINAR
SPECIES = HOBBIT
PLANET = ARDA
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = ESQUIRE
PERSONALITY = BRAVE
SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL/3

STATS, MASTER/BASIC
LIFE = 3
MOVE = 4
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 3
POINTS = 25

LOYALTY
If a unique hero you control within 3 clear sight spaces of Merry is destroyed, you may move all order markers from that figure's army card to Merry's army card. Add 2 to Merry's move if he end his move adjacent to a unique hero you control.

BARROW BLADE
When Merry attacks an undead figure, add two to his attack.

UNNOTICED
Opponent's figures must be adjacent to attack Merry with a normal attack. If an opponent’s figure that is adjacent to Merry attacks with a normal or special attack, it must attack another figure, if possible. Merry is never attacked when leaving an engagement.


Character Bio: (Insert Character Bio here)


-RULINGS and CLARIFICATIONS-
(Insert questions and answers about unit function and/or power interpretation)

-COMBINATIONS and SYNERGIES-
Synergy Benefits Received
(Insert links to figures that benefit the unit, and short explanation of synergy)

Synergy Benefits Offered
(Insert links to figures that this unit benefits, and a short explanation of synergy)

Spoiler Alert!

Originally Posted by infectedsloth

THE WORKBOOK OF PEREGRIN TOOK
(Under Construction)

DESIGNER = Infectedsloth

Lord of the Rings Set

FIGURE USED FOR UNIT: Pippin, from the Herosclix set

NAME = PEREGRIN TOOK
GENERAL = JANDAR
SPECIES = HOBBIT
PLANET = ARDA
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = ESQUIRE
PERSONALITY =LOYAL
SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL/3

STATS, MASTER/BASIC
LIFE = 3
MOVE = 4
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 3
POINTS = 25

LOYALTY
If a unique hero you control within 3 clear sight spaces of Pippin is destroyed, you may move all order markers from that figure's army card to Pippin's army card. Add 2 to Pippin's move if he end his move adjacent to a unique hero you control.

HAMSTRING
When Pippin attacks a large or huge figure, add two to his attack.

UNNOTICED
Opponent's figures must be adjacent to attack Pippin with a normal attack. If an opponent’s figure that is adjacent to Pippin attacks with a normal or special attack, it must attack another figure, if possible. Pippin is never attacked when leaving an engagement.


Character Bio: (Insert Character Bio here)


-RULINGS and CLARIFICATIONS-
(Insert questions and answers about unit function and/or power interpretation)

-COMBINATIONS and SYNERGIES-
Synergy Benefits Received
(Insert links to figures that benefit the unit, and short explanation of synergy)

Synergy Benefits Offered
(Insert links to figures that this unit benefits, and a short explanation of synergy)

The One Ring is also in Design, but it may also be ready for playtesting.

Spoiler Alert!

Originally Posted by infectedsloth

INVISIBILITY
At the start of the round, before placing order markers, you must place the One Ring Treasure Glyph power side up or power side down on this figure's Army Card. If the One Ring Treasure Glyph is power side up on this figure's Army Card and this figure is small, medium, or large, this figure has no visible hit zone, does not have clear sight to any non-adjacent figures, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement.

INFLUENCE OF THE RING
Before taking a turn with a friendly Unique Hero within 2 clear sight spaces of this figure you must roll the 20-sided die. If that figure is a Hobbit, subtract 1 from your die roll. If you roll an 18 or higher, the player controlling that army card must choose an opponent. That opponent will now control the friendly figure for the remainder of the turn.At the end of that turn, control of the friendly figure returns to the player who initially controlled it.

BETRAYAL OF THE RING
At the end of the round, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 20, choose an opponent. That opponent must place the One Ring Treasure Glyph power side down on any empty space adjacent to this figure.

And finally, Aragorn just left Brainstorming to make his way to Design.

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = ARAGORN
GENERAL = ULLAR
PLANET = ARDA
SPECIES = DUNEDAIN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = RANGER
PERSONALITY = RESOLUTE
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM/5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 3
POINTS = 100

DUNEDAIN TRACKING
Before the game, choose a unique Army Card in the Opponent's Army. After the chosen Army Card takes a turn, you may move Strider 2 spaces.

WILDERNESS INSTINCTS
When Strider is on a Shadow Space, or when he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, he receives 1 additional attack die.

RANGER OF THE NORTH
After taking a turn with Strider, if he is unengaged, you may choose an adjacent, unengaged, small or medium friendly figure. Strider and the chosen figure have no visible Hit Zones until the next time you reveal an Order Marker.

I know @Son of Arathorn is still around. @White Knight , would you like to devote time to this project again? @Joseph Sweeney ?

[Son of Arathorn]

I wish I had time to devote to this project.

Hopefully caps, TREX and whoever's willing to climb aboard can breathe new life into it.

Peace.

[TREX]

I just started another part time job on top of my full time job, so I'm not so sure on how much time can be devoted here. I will try to give some up for this though. I'm excited to see some action here.

[Joseph Sweeney]

Provided someone gets the project rolling again, I would be willing to commit to play testing, but I don't see myself with enough spare time to dedicate anymore to the project currently.

~JS

[caps]

Hmm, I'm not sure whether or not it would be prudent for me to push on as a one-man project.

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by capsocrates

Hmm, I'm not sure whether or not it would be prudent for me to push on as a one-man project.

Sorry Caps. I'd love to help, but I'm barely pulling my weight with HoSS right now, and my home to-do list keeps getting longer. My sons don't play Heroscape anymore, so I've lost some motivation as well.

[TREX]

I think a good start would be to link these designs in a list in the OP under their name followed by design/brainstorming/playtesting phase. That way we can find them quicker to reference the lastest update. Even with a lack of time, I really would love to see these continue. Are you guys using playtest documents similar to hoss and c3v, that would also help. On a side note. Would you guys be interested in making them their own generals. Such as "Alliance", and "Sauron" would be kind of cool. The alliance cards could have a pewter lining with a white tree emblem,and or leaf, and the forces of sauron could have a sauron eye up where the traditional ones are.

[White Knight]

Originally Posted by TREX

I think a good start would be to link these designs in a list in the OP under their name followed by design/brainstorming/playtesting phase. That way we can find them quicker to reference the lastest update. Even with a lack of time, I really would love to see these continue. Are you guys using playtest documents similar to hoss and c3v, that would also help. On a side note. Would you guys be interested in making them their own generals. Such as "Alliance", and "Sauron" would be kind of cool. The alliance cards could have a pewter lining with a white tree emblem,and or leaf, and the forces of sauron could have a sauron eye up where the traditional ones are.

We thought about adding different generals, but we finally decided to use the Heroscape generals and stay 100% compatible. Somewhere in the discussions are lists of many of Tolkien's figures along with suggested generals.

The playtesting stalled on Gandalf after over 50 playtests because we couldn't decide if he was over or under powered (or even fun to play). We finally had to compromise on the version Caps posted above. You can look at the playtests in the playtesting thread to see what format we used.

Merry and Pippin were playtested a little. There are two slightly different designs for them--the one Caps posted, and one I tested with a slightly better form of Loyalty. We didn't playtest enough to come to a consensus on them.

[Ninja Status]

I could get on board with this. I always had an interest in HoME but never got the time to invest in it.

What do you guys need exactly?

[caps]

Originally Posted by White Knight

Sorry Caps. I'd love to help, but I'm barely pulling my weight with HoSS right now, and my home to-do list keeps getting longer. My sons don't play Heroscape anymore, so I've lost some motivation as well.

I completely understand. The way I interact with the game has changed a lot over the last year.

Originally Posted by TREX

I think a good start would be to link these designs in a list in the OP under their name followed by design/brainstorming/playtesting phase.

That's a good idea. Perhaps @Son of Arathorn could flag down a mod with the power to give me control of the various OPs.

Originally Posted by TREX

Are you guys using playtest documents similar to hoss and c3v, that would also help.

I think for this project to work we will need to adopt a different playtest model than C3V, HoSS, etc. C3V is seriously revamping their system right now, and I know C3G is making some major changes also. I'll be thinking about how to implement something similar, but scaled for fewer participants. I'm not sure the playtest document is a serious inhibition to playtesting, but it's something that I know C3V has talked about reducing to make playtesting less onerous.

Originally Posted by White Knight

We thought about adding different generals, but we finally decided to use the Heroscape generals and stay 100% compatible. Somewhere in the discussions are lists of many of Tolkien's figures along with suggested generals.

The playtesting stalled on Gandalf after over 50 playtests because we couldn't decide if he was over or under powered (or even fun to play). We finally had to compromise on the version Caps posted above. You can look at the playtests in the playtesting thread to see what format we used.

Merry and Pippin were playtested a little. There are two slightly different designs for them--the one Caps posted, and one I tested with a slightly better form of Loyalty. We didn't playtest enough to come to a consensus on them.

White Knight has it about right.

Originally Posted by Ninja Status

I could get on board with this. I always had an interest in HoME but never got the time to invest in it.

What do you guys need exactly?

What we need is "warm bodies." Without a person (or a group of people, collectively) that can kick butt in the playtesting department this project will make no headway.

Ideally we'd have about three people (maybe just two) involved in each stage of the process. 2-3 people is probably enough. Whether those people are all the same or different in each department, etc...

If you and I devote enough time to it, we could produce some quality stuff.