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Re: The Case for a Valhalla Customs Master Set
We don’t have a use for a mountain of translucent minis, either. As I said, we don’t need the minis.
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That last part was intended to be the focus. A big barrier to entry for many people is the need to peruse sites like Troll and Toad, MiniatureMarket, or all of the other websites to find the units (sometimes split amongst these now) that they want. The AotP sets, on the other hand, are much more approachable for people. I do agree that some of the unpainted minis could really only be used as proxies (like what happened with the Pummelroot Elementals), but the sets have far more to offer than just unpainted miniatures. C3V might not be starving for miniatures, but why not take advantage of an excellent opportunity when it presents itself? Fantasy-based burnout is real and inevitable with the biggest source of miniatures being D&D and Pathfinder. I'm sure we've all struggled with that before, but that doesn't mean that all fantasy units are bad, especially when this set includes things like phantoms and metallic towers to spice things up. There's a lot of gameplay potential here, from a lot of different designers. Quote:
I do appreciate your honest response. Likewise, I think that your negatives aren't nearly as big as the positives, but it's important to look at the prospect from multiple directions. Quote:
Even if only those few 24 figures were used, that's still the size of a Master Set (even larger than some). Which figures are acceptable is extremely reliant on personal opinion, which makes it hard to nail everything down. For example, the black solid minis look perfect as shadows to me, just as much as the translucent pieces like elementals or illusions. @NecroBlade 's idea for the Porcelain Rhinos also sounds great. There are plenty of other ideas floating about out there, any combination of which can be employed. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Like I said, I don't think that's the most important part of your argument. But the idea that we somehow need this mountain of mostly-unpainted fantasy minis is not correct. |
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I would argue that VC does have a need to make an approachable starter set, and these sets are the best opportunity that we have to make one. I'm glad to hear that you agree that your quibbles aren't against the heart of the argument, and I'm sorry for misinterpreting your posts to be focusing on them to the point of downplaying the other benefits. Edit: Quote:
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Likewise! Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Honestly I don't find the idea of unpainted mini's overly appealing. I would rather there be perhaps simplified paint jobs made as an official alternate on the cards.
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I just thought I'd chime in with something that I don't feel has received enough attention.
I've bought nearly every C3V unit, and they've very rarely released a large box set quite like the Arena sets. The Dungeon Command sets require rebasing, and that is definitely a hassle to the people completely lacking in crafting skills such as myself. The Pathfinder Starter sets and the like only have a few figures (the Arashara Goshiri set had fewer painted figures than the first Arena set!). Only the Confrontation Army boxes are comparable to the Arena sets in providing a large number of figures that don't require a hassle to rebase all in one go like these sets. That's the reason I loved those Army boxes, and why I would love the Arena sets equally. With due respect, and believe me that is an immense amount, I feel like some members of the C3V are undervaluing what a gift getting this many ready to play figures at once is. While it's true there is a large supply of fantasy figures, getting those figures can be a pain. Finding sufficient supply in stock at the same time is quite difficult to get at a single location. Let's just take one example. In order to buy the basically necessary four squads of pirates, with the four different sculpts of them constantly going in and out of stock I had to place no less than eight different orders across multiple websites and sellers on eBay. And even for unique heroes, it can be tough to find one in stock, let alone multiple different sculpts from the same outlet. I've lost track of the times I check Coolstuff or Troll and Toad and find one new hero figure I need in stock but others I look for are not. Yes, there are plenty of other miniatures. I don't question the massive availability of usable painted sculpts. But none of them are a fraction as easy to acquire as the Arena sets. There is no large box of ready to play miniatures that are easier to acquire than these Arena boxes. Even using all unique cards for them, the amount of new Army Cards you could get in one fell swoop that need no rebasing hassle is a huge boon. The ease with which they can be purchased without having to pull out your hair chasing figures down across the web more than makes up for the lack of paint applications on most of them in my opinion. They look perfectly fine to me at least, because the colored plastic is fine, and to my eyes a little bit of color goes a long way. If you use all the sculpts I'd definitely love to be able to get dozens of figures to use from only THREE purchases. Putting three different items in my cart normally isn't even a single complete squad of pirates, and here it would be twice the number of figures from Rise of the Valkyrie! Don't underestimate the appeal of easy shopping. Speaking as someone who has scoured websites for figures far too often, I'm certain someone is more likely to get into C3V from having to buy a couple easy-to-find boxes to get a ton of figures than to have to painstakingly track down single figures across the web. |
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Very good perspective on it! Thank you!
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Yes! I think you're exactly right, bellahdoll. I think that is the most important thing here. That what we *don't* have is a Starter Set. And AK proposes the AotP boxes could fill that void. Thank you for your interest in what we do, and thank you for letting us know what you think.
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Instead of trying to convince C3V, you all should start your own group and make customs out of the Arena sets. There are a ton of great designers here and I think a new group designing fantasy customs would be well received.
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