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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
We're going to need to finish this guy sharpish - where are we here?
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#122
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
Ericth sent me a PM saying he'd have it in this week. Not sure when. So it may be a close finish.
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#123
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
Not sure I like relying on a Public Tester on something this close... they're notoriously unreliable at times.
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#124
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
We've got Ronin signed up as well, and all of my games and Yoda's games looked good and balanced. So I'm not too worried about it as long as Ronin finishes his we should be good to move forward regardless. He's 1-4(though his points have been dropped after 2 of the losses), so even if Ronin comes back with 2 wins, we're looking good to just modify some points if need be.
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#125
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
I'm running him tonight.
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#126
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Ash Williams @150 points Army Test Map: Conflict Chernobyl Units: Ash Williams, Captain Britain, Witchblade, Angel (Warren) (850) vs Enchantress (II), Wonder Woman (I), Rhino (850)
Spoiler Alert!
___________________________________________________________ Army Test Map: Conflict Chernobyl Units: Ash Williams, Captain America, Iron Man (Avengers), Yellowjacket (II) (850) vs Ms. Marvel, N'astirh, Shadowcat (II), Hellfire: Fireball x2 (850)
Spoiler Alert!
THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Ash is fun - he can be pretty nasty against the figures he counters (kind of a glass cannon vibe), and introducing more of those as enemies is an interesting twist for a figure like this. It's not reliable enough to make him feel busted with other anti-demon types, though. I think he feels okay at 150. He has the potential for big impact on a match for that point level, but he's not always gonna be a big deal, and he's a bit fragile to tangle with heavies. |
#127
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
Thanks for the tests! Closeish win and loss. 2-5 overall, 2-3 at 150. Looking good.
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#128
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
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#129
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Public Playtesting)
He's:
0-1 at 165 0-1 at 160 4-3 at 150. 2 of the 4 wins he seemed to go up against inferior armies, and overall got lucky based on the write up. I'm feeling pretty happy with moving forward at 150. I propose a vote to move to Final Editing at 150. |
#130
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Vote for Final Editing)
I wouldn't say the armies were really that inferior, just that he was one of the few to run test against Ash's planned targets. I realize he has the ability to turn someone into his prey once a round but I was surprised that there were so few default Demons, Slashers, or Undead figures in his opposing army.
Granted I just skimmed through the tests but it feels a bit odd to criticize a public tester for running a test against Ash's intended opponents and then call those armies inferior. Is he suppose to dominate Demon's, Slashers, and Undead figures? If so that's fine as it appears that is what he does. If I'm misunderstanding some context here forgive me. Having said that I don't really have an issue with this guy or his cost. He seems fairly straight forward with about as much downside as upside. Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Vote for Final Editing)
150 seems formidable. Yea to FE.
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#132
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Re: The Book of Ash Williams (Vote for Final Editing)
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I wasn't saying the choices were bad, I said they were inferior by comparison. Ash, Buffy, Bane, Punisher, Robin vs. Jason Voorhees, Fire Demons, Living Mummy, Lurker x3, Walkers x3 Ash, Buffy, Captain America(C3G), Bucky and Falcon vs. Firefly, Jason Voorhees, Dr Octopus, Solomon Grundy In these instances, you have Bane/Cap(while also comboing nicely with Bucky) providing a boost to the team. What synergy do the opponents have? Ash's AoD special becomes purely negative when you pit him and Buffy up against an entire team who they already do well against without needing them to be Demons, such as in game 1. I've ran games in my earlier days of testing where one team was clearly built competitively and the other was not, and people explained to me that that's not ideal as it gives one team an obvious advantage. It happens, and I don't think me pointing that out here is criticizing the tester. |
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