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The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds)

The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds)

C3G DC WAVE 25
THE JUSTICE SOCIETY



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NOTE: Sandman requires 1x Glyph of Utility: Gas Mask and 1x Glyph of Gas: Sleeping Gas

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Origins set.
Its model number and name are #086 / Sandman.

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Character Bio - Plagued by dreams of deadly crimes, Wesley Dodds pursued a darker path than that of his more flashy counterparts. Though it was the Golden Age of costumed heroes, the streets that Wesley patrolled as the Sandman were darker than the rest, and death waited around every corner. Using the sleeping gas he sprayed from his gas gun, Sandman would put the criminals he fought to sleep, leaving them to dreams darker than his own. His gas mask not only provided him immunity to the gas he carried, but also struck fear into the hearts of his enemies. As the Sandman and a founding member of the Justice Society of America, Wesley Dodds fought against the darkness that his dreams brought him, until it was his turn to sleep the final, sound sleep of the just.
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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

NAME = SANDMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = WESLEY DODDS

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = MYSTERY MAN
PERSONALITY = TRICKY

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 3

POINTS = 80


GAS MASK
Start the game with the Glyph of Utility: Gas Mask on this card. Sandman cannot lose this glyph by receiving wounds unless he is destroyed.

SLEEPING GAS GUN
Start the game with the Glyph of Gas: Sleeping Gas on this card. After moving and before attacking, you may remove the Glyph of Gas: Sleeping Gas from this card and place it power-side up on an empty space within 3 spaces that is no more than 6 levels above Sandman's base. At the end of the round, instead of removing this Glyph of Gas: Sleeping Gas from the game, place it on this card.

PROPHETIC DREAMS
After revealing Order Marker 1 on an Army Card you control and taking a turn, if Sandman was not moved and did not attack or use any other special powers during this turn, you may choose an opponent's Army Card and view all unrevealed Order Markers on the chosen card.


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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

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V was a little worried that this version could be a little strong with the Sleeping Gas, though I tweaked the numbers down a little. He also pointed out that it currently affects commons and could pull multiple OMs off their card in a single turn.

Zj also pointed out that Constructs should probably not be affected. They aren't affected by Fear Gas though, should we add it here?

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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

I'd leave it affecting Constructs to remain consistent. You could also make it to where you can only remove one OM per card per turn.
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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

For affecting commons, we can just add a line like:

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SLEEPING GAS GUN
Start the game with the Glyph of Sleeping Gas on this card. After moving and before attacking, you may remove the Glyph of Sleeping Gas from this card and place it power-side up on an empty space within 3 spaces that is no more than 6 levels above Sandman's base. After placing the Glyph of Sleeping Gas and anytime you reveal an Order Marker on this card, you may roll the 20-sided die once for each figure affected by a Glyph of Sleeping Gas. If you roll 16 or higher, remove an Order Marker from that figure's card. No more than 1 Order Marker may be removed from a single Army Card each turn. At the end of the round, instead of removing this Glyph of Sleeping Gas from the game, place it on this card.
Another odd interaction with this one is the ability to roll against figures that are affected by any glyph of Sleeping Gas, including ones that are a part of the map or placed by an opponent's Sandman.

Other than that, looks great.

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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

Instead of OM removal, why not make it more like Spider-Girl's power?

SLEEPING GAS GUN
Start the game with the Glyph of Sleeping Gas on this card. After moving and before attacking, you may remove the Glyph of Sleeping Gas from this card and place it power-side up on an empty space within 3 spaces that is no more than 6 levels above Sandman's base. Immediately after any opponent's numbered Order Marker is revealed, you may roll the 20-sided die for each figure affected by a Glyph of Sleeping Gas. If you roll 16 or higher, that figure may not move, attack or use any special power this turn. At the end of the round, instead of removing this Glyph of Sleeping Gas from the game, place it on this card.
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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

Because Spider-Girl, Diablo, and the Star Sapphires already have passive turn-prevention and stacking a lot of those gets super annoying for the opponent. I was hoping that by making it take place on your turns out would be a little less annoying to face. I contemplated dropping the OM removal and making it just a stat-subtraction. I also thought about making it only trigger when the glyph is placed.

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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

You know I like this one!

Sleeping Gas Gun should be listed second on the card instead of third, since it's another "start the game" power.

I have two things that I really want to talk about with this write up, after reflecting on it for a bit.

I'm realizing I don't like the two-tiered effects of Sleeping Gas. Sandman has the power to aim the gas, but how the gas affects everyone should be the same whether Sandman is firing it or it's being placed on the battlefield some other way. He doesn't somehow have greater control over it. It's not like Scarecrow where he's using a combination of the effects of the gas and his own mind games and theatrics to further freak people out. It's just sleeping gas.

So what I'd like to see is the firing of the gas (placement) and the moving of the gas back to the card all covered in the Sleeping Gas Gun card (i.e. what the gun does, not what the gas does). Then I'd like to see the gas affect anyone who is near enough to it (thus giving the Gas Mask greater relevance). Here is my first take on it (though if we want to change to mechanics more like quozl's, that could work too). It's a tad messy in order to try to address Viegon's concerns as well, so it may need tweaking, but here's the essentials:

SLEEPING GAS
Any time a player reveals an Order Marker, before taking any turns, that player must roll the 20-sided die, one at a time, for each of their Army Cards that has both one or more unrevealed Order Markers on it and one or more of its figures within 2 space of this Glyph, even while this Glyph is unoccupied. If they roll 5 or lower, that player must choose an opponent to randomly remove an unrevealed Order Marker from the affected figure’s Army Card. Androids are not affected by this Glyph. At the end of the round, if the Glyph of Sleeping Gas is on the battlefield, remove it from the game.


The other thing I want to bring up is the Gas Mask glyph. Here's the thing: it seems very likely that Fear Gas and Sleeping Gas aren't the only two kinds of gas we'll ever represent in C3G. So now is our chance to look and plan ahead. I see two possible approaches:

1. We just name Fear and Sleeping Gas on the Gas Mask, then we mention the Gas Mask not being affected on future cards

or

2. We define some design parameters now and only do #1 for the unexpected outliers. For instance, we could easily take a stab at it now and say: Fear Gas, Sleeping Gas, Nerve Gas, and Poison Gas, for instance. I think that covers a wide range of themes and it would be an old school design Easter egg shouting towards something we might then tackle in the future. I think that'd be fun and it'd let us avoid the less elegant take of #1 for the most part.

Edit: so I'll mention that I also like a one and done effect of when it's placed.

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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

I think Gas Mask would work better as a Special Power since he can't lose the glyph anyway. Then you only have the one glyph on his card.
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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

No love for the utility belt?

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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

Gas mask utility glyph would be nice against scarecrow...

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Re: The Book of Sandman (Wesley Dodds) - Design Phase

Then I would make the sleeping gas gun work without making into a glyph. I just don't like the two different types of glyphs on one card.

SLEEPING GAS GUN
After moving and before attacking, you may choose an empty space within 3 spaces that is no more than 6 levels above Sandman's base. Immediately roll the 20-sided die for each figure within 2 spaces of the chosen space, one at a time. If you roll 14 or higher, that figure may not move, attack or use any special power until the end of the next turn. They also subtract 1 from their Move, Attack, and Defense numbers, to a minimum of 1, for the remainder of this round. Androids are not affected by this Glyph.
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