The Book of Gorilla-Man

[Margloth]

Originally Posted by tcglkn

I'd like to see what you have in mind for a special attack here.

I don't really have any ideas... any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Griffin

That is close enough to Punisher's Assault Riffle to make me wonder why you didn't just use it. An AK47 is an assault riffle.

Honestly because I didn't want it to work against adjacent figures (because of his adjacency bonus) and at the time of the write-up I thought if the power text was any different it had to have a different name.

I'm more in favor of cutting AK-47/Assault Rifle and Gorilla Strength at this point so we can raise his base attack and give him a special to represent his guns.

[Griffin]

I agree with that direction. I don't like having "weapons" tied into the normal stats and then creating special powers that represent the normal figure - just seems backwards. Work it up for us.

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Margloth

I don't really have any ideas... any suggestions?

SPRAY OF BULLETS SA
Range 5. Attack 4 + Special.
Choose a figure to attack, you may also choose up to two additional figures adjacent to the chosen figures. Roll 4 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense separately. After attacking with this special attack, he may attack two additional times. Roll 1 less attack die for each subsequent attack.

[Gurei-Ornery]

Originally Posted by tcglkn

SPRAY OF BULLETS SA
Range 5. Attack 4 + Special.
Choose a figure to attack, you may also choose up to two additional figures adjacent to the chosen figures. Roll 4 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense separately. After attacking with this special attack, he may attack two additional times. Roll 1 less attack die for each subsequent attack.

From Wikipedia:
"Firing the 7.62x39mm cartridge, the AK-47 produces significant wounding effects when the projectile tumbles and fragments in tissue;[8] but it produces relatively minor wounds when the projectile exits the body before beginning to yaw."

What do you think about including a 20d roll that adds to the attack value (or subtracts from) based on whether or not the shells tumble through their target or not?

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Gurei-Ornery

What do you think about including a 20d roll that adds to the attack value (or subtracts from) based on whether or not the shells tumble through their target or not?

Isn't that what defense dice are for? Tougher or more evasive figures have higher defenses because it is harder for bullets to go through them and what not.

[Griffin]

G-O, I just don't think that there is a way to translate the theme of what you are suggesting to the player that isn't part of this design process. Basically, people won't get the theme of that at all.

[Hahma]

There's nothing special about the AK-47 other than it is cheap to make and extremely reliable in various conditions. It's not overly accurate. The only reason that is so recognizable is that it is like the most produced assault rifle in the world and has been for a long time. It being inexpensive to make, simple to use and reliable is the reason for its popularity. Otherwise there isn't anything translateable to a power that I can see.

[Margloth]

Hmmm... really spitballing here:

HAIL OF GUNFIRE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range: Special. Attack: Special.
When using this special attack, Gorilla-Man may first attack any figure within 6 clear sight spaces with 3 attack dice. He may then attack any figure within 4 clear sight spaces with 2 attack dice. After using this special attack, you may use it one additional time. You may not attack the same figure more than twice in one turn.

It's overly complicated, perhaps, but I like how it represents him letting loose a burst from the AK, then the Uzi, then repeats. Might be a bit too much offensive power, however.

[IAmBatman]

We could do something like this in that case, Margloth:

SPRAY OF BULLETS SA
Range 6 - Special. Attack 4 - Special.
When Gorilla-Man attacks with this special attack, he may attack two additional times. Subtract 1 from the range and attack of this special attack for each subsequent attack.

Basically assault rifle but with decreasing range as well.
I really dig the Curse of the Gorilla-Man power, but he's going to be a pain to cost! Heavy Hitters will fear this guy due to that power.

[johnny139]

One problem I see with Curse of the Gorilla-Man is that you get Ken Hale... and he's a Unique Hero. You and your opponent both draft him, your opponent's other figure kills Ken, and suddenly you have two of the same unit.

And, of course, the theme problem of not simply becoming Gorilla-Man but Ken as well. But that's a minor niggle I can deal with because it's such a cool idea in general.

Oh, and I like Bats' Special Attack best. Makes me think of an FPS, where your first shot is precisely aimed and you just sort of fire randomly after that. I see no reason to limit it to 3 attacks, though... if you really want that one extra die at three range, does it really hurt?

EDIT: Oh, and another issue with the Curse - so, let's say Ant-Man is under an overhang too small for Gorilla-Man and kills him. Now, Gorilla-Man can't be placed on that space. So Ant-Man is destroyed, and... does the opponent get control of Gorilla-Man on the space he originally occupied? Does the effect continue even though he couldn't be placed?

[Margloth]

Originally Posted by johnny139

One problem I see with Curse of the Gorilla-Man is that you get Ken Hale... and he's a Unique Hero. You and your opponent both draft him, your opponent's other figure kills Ken, and suddenly you have two of the same unit.

Yeah, that's an issue I hadn't considered.

Originally Posted by johnny139

And, of course, the theme problem of not simply becoming Gorilla-Man but Ken as well. But that's a minor niggle I can deal with because it's such a cool idea in general.

This was an issue I had forseen as well... I don't love the Ken Hale redo... maybe a line that Gorilla Man is no longer considered to be Ken Hale?

Originally Posted by johnny139

Oh, and I like Bats' Special Attack best. Makes me think of an FPS, where your first shot is precisely aimed and you just sort of fire randomly after that. I see no reason to limit it to 3 attacks, though... if you really want that one extra die at three range, does it really hurt?

I agree about the extra attack, but I'd love to see some more Machine Gun SA ideas before we commit.

Originally Posted by johnny139

EDIT: Oh, and another issue with the Curse - so, let's say Ant-Man is under an overhang too small for Gorilla-Man and kills him. Now, Gorilla-Man can't be placed on that space. So Ant-Man is destroyed, and... does the opponent get control of Gorilla-Man on the space he originally occupied? Does the effect continue even though he couldn't be placed?

Well, Antman wouldn't be affected, as it only affects small or medium figures... perhaps it should only affect medium though.

[SirGalahad]

"if possible" is a wonderful CYA phrase that allows special circumstances that have been mentioned to be non-issues.

It is not possible for you to control 2 of the same Unique Hero, so if Player 1 (who has G-M in his army) has a different figure destroy Player 2's G-M, the transfer of the destroyed G-M to Player 1 can't occur.

Same for the figure under the overhang. If it is not possible for G-M to occupy that space, then it doesn't happen.