Placing Order Marker on "destroyed" figure's card

[Retlaw]

Is it "legal" to place your order marker(s) on a card that has had the figure(s) destroyed? I read the rule book, the FAQ, and did a search and didn't find anything saying it wasn't.

Here is the situation where this may have been useful:

My army was down to its last two figures - both Anubian Wolves - and they were back near the starting zone of a large map. My opponent's army was far away on the map (at least two turns of movement to get to me - probably three). Instead of placing the first two order markers on the wolves and risking killing one before they even got to combat, could the first two markers be placed on another card (whose figure(s) had already been destroyed) and the last on the wolves. This would allow me to wait for the opponent to get across the board without the risk of losing one of the wolves.

I did place all the markers on the wolves and lost one before getting to the opponent's army.

[ollie]

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Is it "legal" to place your order marker(s) on a card that has had the figure(s) destroyed? I read the rule book, the FAQ, and did a search and didn't find anything saying it wasn't.

Here is the situation where this may have been useful:

My army was down to its last two figures - both Anubian Wolves - and they were back near the starting zone of a large map. My opponent's army was far away on the map (at least two turns of movement to get to me - probably three). Instead of placing the first two order markers on the wolves and risking killing one before they even got to combat, could the first two markers be placed on another card (whose figure(s) had already been destroyed) and the last on the wolves. This would allow me to wait for the opponent to get across the board without the risk of losing one of the wolves.

I did place all the markers on the wolves and lost one before getting to the opponent's army.

You are allowed to place markers on a destroyed Thanos (but not use them to try and bring him back to life, obviously). That precedent suggests to me that the answer is yes.

[1Mmirg]

Maybe I missed something, but why not place the OM on your units and just not move them into danger? In the end the effect is the same and any opponent would recognize the choice you were really making. (Plus, if you lose initiative and he rushes you, why have OM where they can do no good at all to you?) I may just not have understood your question.

My sense, though, is that you cannot place OM on eliminated cards (those cards, excluding Spirit and Sturla options, just don't exist in play any longer).

EDIT: Yes, ollie, you bring up a great point. I have placed order markers on "dead" card, knowing it might come back to life (the Sturla option, I mention). My bad for not recalling that. The rulebook doesn't say anything; I'll check the FAQ now.

FAQ:

Thanos
“Marvel: The Conflict Begins”
If I have a turn order marker on an Army Card, but every figure on the Army Card has been destroyed, can I still roll for Rejected By Death?
No. If the every figure on the Army Card is destroyed, you cannot take that turn, and Rejected By Death would never activate.

If I have a turn order marker on a destroyed Thanos, but he is brought back onto the board by Rejected By Death before I would have used that Turn Order Marker, can I take that turn with him when the time comes?
Yes. The turn order markers are not removed from the cards once a figure is destroyed. If Thanos is on the board when his turn would come up (even if he was destroyed the turn before), he can take that turn.

Interesting, the questions skirt the issue, implying that the way Thanos would have a marker is if he had recently been destroyed, though the wording of the answers support a OM being on a destroyed figure.

Other than that, I don't see any rule in the SotM rules or FAQ that says anything about not allowing the placement of an OM on destroyed cards or only being allowed to place on "active" cards. (And, as I say, I have done it, hoping for a Sturla Hail-Mary-moment.) B/c of Sturla and Thanos, it seems that an OM can be placed on a dead figure (though, the FAQ does make clear that the powers of a dead figure are not activated, even if an OM is there--even Thanos can't roll to return if an OM is on his dead card, see answer 1 above).

[Retlaw]

Originally Posted by 1Mmirg

Maybe I missed something, but why not place the OM on your units and just not move them into danger? In the end the effect is the same and any opponent would recognize the choice you were really making. (Plus, if you lose initiative and he rushes you, why have OM where they can do no good at all to you?) I may just not have understood your question.
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With an order marker on the wolves, you would have to roll for their unleashed fury with each marker and possibly destroy one. It was a large map and I knew it would take at least two turns (maybe more) for my opponent to get any figures in attacking range. Besides this one quirk with wolves possibly destroying themselves and the last ditch Sturla option, I wouldn't see a reason to put order markers on a destroyed figure.

As it was, on the first turn I took with the wolves I rolled a 1 and destroyed one of them, then moved the other. His turn he moved toward me. 2nd turn I was close, but didn't have enough moved to get to him (even with a road bonus), so waited. His turn he moved closer. 3rd turn my lone wolf moved/attacked (failed). His turn he destroyed the last wolf (stupid heavy gruts).

[1Mmirg]

I obviously haven't played the Wolves in far too long (and not w/o Khosumet)--thanks for clarifying and sorry I was so obtuse. I definitely understand your reasoning.

[nyys]

Huh... I'm inclined to say you can't but that's just my first instinct.

[Grungebob]

This question has come up before. If I recall, it is permissible to place order markers on destroyed army cards.

[Clarissimus]

Another reason could be:

Placing an order marker on a Marro Stingers or Marro Drones card even though they are all dead because you anticipate an earlier order marker on the Marro Hive could revive them.

A related issue: Placing order marker(s) on the Rechets of Bogdan in hopes that an earlier order marker on Iskra Eisenwien will summon them into play.

[KingArthur1976]

Originally Posted by Clarissimus

Another reason could be:

Placing an order marker on a Marro Stingers or Marro Drones card even though they are all dead because you anticipate an earlier order marker on the Marro Hive could revive them.

A related issue: Placing order marker(s) on the Rechets of Bogdan in hopes that an earlier order marker on Iskra Eisenwien will summon them into play.

This would be the biggest gamble of them all i would think. keep in mind the Retchets do get an immediate turn when summoned, so that may decrease the need to gamble. I do love these units however, and had not thought to place the marker before. It may just be worth a shot every now and then.

[SVD997]

Let me pose another question regarding this issue:
Sparticus' Gladiator Inspiration
It does not say that Sparticus has to be alive for you to receive the bonus. So, even if Sparticus dies, you could still get the bonus for your gladiators. I know that no-one here like Sparticus, but I enjoy using him in team battles. So this would be another instance where placing a marker on a dead figures card could be useful.

[Grungebob]

Originally Posted by SVD997

Let me pose another question regarding this issue:
Sparticus' Gladiator Inspiration
It does not say that Sparticus has to be alive for you to receive the bonus. So, even if Sparticus dies, you could still get the bonus for your gladiators. I know that no-one here like Sparticus, but I enjoy using him in team battles. So this would be another instance where placing a marker on a dead figures card could be useful.

I don't think that's how it works my friend.

[Rÿchean]

He does have to be alive at the beginning of the round to get the bonus. All units have to be alive to enjoy their specials unless their card says otherwise. (Thanos, Viking spirits)

Here is some additional clarification on Sparatcus and his Inspiration:

Spartacus
“Thora’s Vengeance”
Can the X Order Marker be placed on Spartacus in order to activate Gladiator Inspiration?
Yes. The X Order Marker is a valid Order Marker.
If an Order Marker is removed from a Gladiator or from Spartacus during a round, does that negate Gladiator Inspiration?
No. Gladiator Inspiration is checked at the beginning of the Round. Whatever happens to the Order Markers during the round does not matter. Gladiator Inspiration (once activated) lasts the rest of the round.

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