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Old October 18th, 2016, 09:56 AM
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

A couple more suggestions:

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POWER FROM CONFIDENCE
Start the game with 2 white Confidence Markers on this card. Add 1 to Captain Britain's Move and Attack numbers for each Confidence Marker on this card. If there are no Confidence Markers on this card, Captain Britain cannot use his Flying or Super Strength special powers.

UNSTEADY CONFIDENCE
After rolling dice for Captain Britain's normal attack, if you rolled more shields than skulls, remove a Confidence Marker from this card. When attacking an opponent's figure, if Captain Britain rolls a skull on every die, you may place all previously removed Confidence Markers back on this card.

EXCALIBUR COMMANDER
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and taking a turn with Captain Britain, if Captain Britain attacked an opponent's figure with a normal attack this turn, you may take a turn with any Unique Protector or Telepath Hero you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Captain Britain that is a Protector or Telepath.
Is there a reason why he can loose a marker attacking friendlies but can only regain them when attacking enemies? I think it'd look cleaner if the two sentences matched up more:

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When attacking an opponent's figure, if Captain Britain rolls more shields than skulls, remove a Confidence Marker from this card. When attacking an opponent's figure, if Captain Britain rolls a skull on every die, you may place all previously removed Confidence Markers back on this card.
And I do believe we've been adding the "no additional turns" bit to pretty much all bonding powers, if only to play things safe.

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Old October 18th, 2016, 01:11 PM
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

OK, putting it down as a Blue Marker, with the understanding that the art will be Union Jacks.

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After revealing an Order Marker on this card and taking a turn with Captain Britain, if Captain Britain attacked an opponent's figure with a normal attack this turn, you may take a turn with any Unique Protector or Telepath Hero you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Captain Britain that is a Protector or Telepath.
I like that change, and I'm sure nearly everyone would interpret it correctly, but is there some chance that some folks would interpret it as "(Unique Protector) or (Telepath Hero)" instead of "Unique (Protector or Telepath) Hero"? I don't want anyone trying to argue they can bond with Dark Phoenix.

If there's precedent for that kind of wording (or if you think I'm worrying over nothing) I'm fine with the change; I just don't want to open up any cans of worms. (Or we can make it "Unique Telepath or Protector Hero", to head off the one possible misinterpretation that's in play currently.)

EDIT: I found our precedent:
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After revealing an Order Marker on this card and before taking a turn with Luke Cage, you may take a turn with any other Unique Fighter Hero or a Unique Crime Fighter Hero you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Luke Cage.
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EXCALIBUR COMMANDER
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and taking a turn with Captain Britain, if Captain Britain attacked an opponent's figure with a normal attack this turn, you may take a turn with a Unique Protector Hero or Unique Telepath Hero you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Captain Britain.
EDIT 2: Now I see that Nightwing and The Hood use more or less the exact wording you suggested, Dracula uses the Luke Cage-style wording, and Masahiro Arishi uses a still different formulation. The Hood arguably has the same possible misinterpretation (i.e. taking a turn with a Criminal squad would be like taking a turn with Dark Phoenix).

Gah, I dunno. I'll do whatever.

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Is there a reason why he can loose a marker attacking friendlies but can only regain them when attacking enemies?
Not really; the main thing was I didn't want him to have any incentive to bash his friends to gain markers back. I suppose all things being equal I'd prefer he had as little incentive to attack friends as possible, but I can make the wording match if others feel that that way looks more elegant.

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And I do believe we've been adding the "no additional turns" bit to pretty much all bonding powers, if only to play things safe.
Fair enough. I generally feel like either "after revealing an order marker", or "immediately... and you may not take any additional turns" should be sufficient, although that puts extra requirements on things like the Amulet of Damballah. Anyway, I'll add it.

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Old October 18th, 2016, 05:16 PM
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

Can we call them "flag markers" instead of "blue markers"? As a precedent, The Mask's markers are called "plaid". (Additionally, Magneto (I) and Creeper's markers are not identified by color.)

Edit: then again, flag isn't a color or pattern, so it sounds awkward. I honestly like having no color designation at all.

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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

I think Magneto and Creeper's markers don't have colors mainly because they were so early and we hadn't adopted specifying a color as standard yet. I want to say Magneto was actually the first C3G marker power.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

Yeah, I'd say it's best to have a color to match (most of) our other designs with markers. Blue or white makes sense to me here.

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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

Honestly, while I fully support the idea of it being little Union Jacks, it does slightly concern me that they wouldn't be reusable (for, say, Gladiator).
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Old October 18th, 2016, 10:41 PM
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

Various colors of battery markers have different stickers, don't they? Don't think it would be unprecedented for Captain Britain to have blue Confidence Markers with flags and Gladiator to have (whatever) Confidence Markers with something else on them.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

For Excalibur Commander, I tend towards the shorter text version that I suggested, but you're right that we've worded it multiple ways. The Luke Cage wording looks fine.

As to marker color, it's one of our standards in C3G that I prefer we stick with. Magneto (I) and Creeper were just oversights, and in fact Creeper has already been updated with a color added (we'll need to look into updating Magneto too).

For reusability, I agree with Ronin here. No reason why we couldn't reuse the powers and give them different stickers, in my opinion.

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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

Yeah, I suppose sticking with different colors and stickers reflecting the character's symbolism would be consistent. Concern retracted.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

OK, I went with Viegon's condensed wording but flipped the order of Telepath and Protector just to head off the only possible misinterpretation (i.e. bonding with Dark Phoenix).

I've bumped price to 285, not really because testing demands it, but more just cuz.

I propose a vote for final editing at 285 points.
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For background image, I've reconsidered and decided that I like using Tower Bridge more than Big Ben/Houses of Parliament anyway. However, I'd also like to do something kind of like the C3G Captain America card, with the flag in the background. Something like the first two hits on this image search. I realize that's a relatively big ask for the Art Department, so a straight Tower Bridge image is fine if that's too much of a pain.

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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

Yea - Personally I'd prefer the Luke Cage wording, which is a bit more ironclad, but we're not consistent so whatever.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Public Playtesting

I agree with your reasoning of flipping the text order

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