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Re: Decision 2016
Whether it's true or not, there's a perception out there that liberals look down on everyone else (basket of deplorables is the perfect example of that). All of these "protests" feed into that narrative. That was the main idea I took from the article, anyway.
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#866
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Sure, I'm certain some liberals do look down on Trump voters, or maybe more so the hardcore Trump supporters. I think when people are chanting "build that wall" or "lock her up", it makes them easier targets.
But I have seen tons of comments by conservatives calling liberals "libtards", welfare recipients, anti-Christian, anti-Christmas, tree huggers, crusaders of such and such etc.. Though, when colleges coddle students and help make people offended by everything, it makes them easier targets. There has been plenty of judging and looking down at others from every side. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
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Hold the leaders to high standards, of course. But when you're talking about your fellow Americans, just remember that almost none of them are actually jerks. They are people you would play board games with, or go to the movies with, or whatever. Withhold your judgment from them. All of you. Again, my 2 cents. |
#868
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I'd largely agree with this. I mean I'll clarify though. People are of course allowed to protest however they want. If you'd like to wear a safety pin, or post something on facebook/twitter/etc, go for it. But most of those actions I think just make people feel better about themselves rather than actually doing anything to affect change. (effect change? I'll admit one of my biggest grammar struggles in life still is getting affect/effect correct, but I digress....) One thing in particular that personally drives me a bit nuts is the continued remember Harambe posts and stuff. I agree that the death of a gorilla in a zoo is sad. I wish it hadn't happened. On the other hand a necessary truth of zoos is that we are containing wild animals and as much as we may try to keep these animals away from humans, inevitably accidents will occur. And zoos must follow their procedures, and an innocent animal may have to be killed. If you do not like that truth, then do something to actually change zoos. Else if you just want to better support animals or zoos, there are dozens of things one can do. But posting about Harambe really does nothing. If they want to do it, so be it, but it is very much a pointless gesture in my opinion. I think however this is just part of what I and others have to get used to in the day and age of social media. They aren't actually hurting anyone. The biggest issue is probably just that many feel like they are helping out in some way when they are not, and perhaps in the past they would have actually donated some time or money instead. I really don't think there is much evidence for that though..... So perhaps I'm just rambling on about nothing. |
#869
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A perfect example of judgment/labeling.
Maybe around December 1st or 2nd, I happened to "like" a post on Facebook, where a woman ripped on Trump on Twitter. I believe I had posted that link here, saying how she really let him have it, or something to that effect. Anyway, it was either the same day I "liked" it it the day after. I got an instant message from an old Marine buddy that lives near Boston. He said: "Have you turned into a liberal?" The only thing I could think of that would have had him ask me that, was the post I "liked" on Facebook, as sometimes "friends" see what you "liked". I basically replied that just because I don't like Trump, that makes me a liberal? And the way that he said it, implied a derogatory term of "liberal". I said I'm a moderate and see good and bad from both sides, and don't care for the far left or right. He said the country needs to be run by a businessman and not the PoS Clinton and will be better than that turd Obama. I said that if he creates millions of jobs, make health care better for everyone, make the lives of our senior citizens better, and a few other things, then I will praise him. Tom said get ready to praise. I said I don't mind being wrong of it means that life is better for most Americans. The point is, that I was judged and labeked a liberal, which was used in not a flattering way. So it's not just liberals judging conservatives or Trump supporters. Hand of fate is moving and the finger points to you ...Iron Maiden - The Wicker Man TUTORIAL FOR RE-BASING FIGURES 3hrs 43mins 32secs = 1242nd of 8808 overall - 1988 Honolulu Marathon |
#870
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I'm pretty sure the Harambe thing is poking fun at people who do protest on Facebook and Twitter
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#871
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Thankfully for them it's not as bad as it used to be. But I think that vegie is right, that the humor is in making fun of the phenomenon of e-rage. |
#872
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The Power of Narrative
I wasn't really a fan of the Drumpf movement because I saw it as not attacking the real problem. I appreciated what the safety pin movement was trying to do, but I did want it to be backed up with action. The HP stuff was cherry picked. I saw tons of memes about it being between Umbridge and Voldemort. I saw a sorting hat thing put Clinton in Slytherin and Trump in Durmstrang. Anything popular is going to have people use it to push whatever political agenda they like.
And people will interpret events within their framework of understanding until things make them reconsider. Hence, the echo chamber. Before I was out publicly, I got some specific insights into what several people I knew on facebook thought of trans people with Caitlin Jenner and the HB2 North Carolina bills. Some of it was disheartening. BUT, I also know several people who have taken a much more nuanced view than they had previously regarding trans issues because I was able to offer them a look into that world and see it. For me, talking with some of my more reasoned conservative friends has given me insight into things I hadn't considered and how certain perspectives can be treated. Having spent some time myself on both sides of that aisle, I actually kind of get where both sides come from when they can "look down" on the other. But it's not something endemic to one side. It's a part of the human condition to tribalize. ~Dysole, rambling a bit more than she needs to My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. |
#873
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Re: The Power of Narrative
You can "tribalize" - be with those of your own tribe - without judging the other. Everybody can.
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#874
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Re: Decision 2016
Easier said then done DS.
Those that can are truly the good ones. Human nature is extremely hard to overcome. And it is my firm belief that most do not wish to change. Some gain perspective over time, some get worse. Those that are enlightened from an early age are blessed. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
#875
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It's easier said than done. In my official capacity I talked to a guy wanted for murder this morning. He didn't have a lawyer, and had lots of questions and was kind of angry. I just tried treating him respectfully and we spoke for about 25 minutes. By the time we were done he appreciated that I'd been patient and respectful with him. If I hadn't been patient and respectful, we could have been done in 15 or 10 minutes, but I am trying to do better, and that's the path I'm trying to take. It was a solid investment of those 10 or 15 minutes, I think. He's still going to trial, will still (I imagine) go to jail for what he did. How am I helping my day, or his, be any better, with needless direspect? No thank you. Again, this is all kind of aspirational, from my perspective. During this election season, I came to think that what's missing is mutual respect, and if I expect respect from others, I must demonstrate it as well. I won't abandon reason or principles, but I don't have to do those things, to be respectful. |
#876
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I try to always treat people with respect until they prove themselves unworthy. I try to treat others as equals, this generally applies mostly to young ones, again until they prove unworthy. I really think this goes a long ways with young ones. I know I would have appreciated such actions when I was a youth. Anyway great mantra/philosophy DS. A goal of not changing people minds has to be one of the smartest ideas ever. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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