Most 'Mis-factioned' Unit?

[wriggz]

Elemental Magic is like using a gun, It is not the Gun that is evil, Just how it is used.

Look at it this way: Where would you put a guy with a Machine gun? We cannot answer this question since we don't know why he is fighting.

The same holds true for our elemental. If he was a Elf, it would have been Ullar, Human maybe Jandar, Dwarf shaman? Aquilla. If he used some fancy Ray gun Vydar. It is your motives not your weapon.

Except for land mines and Flame throwers: EVIL!

[Fireshadow]

first of all, the elementals are constucts, so they have no life in the first place.
second kurrok is a magician just like the elves except he got put in utgar because of his hobgoblin status, and goblins, orcs and others of the like are slammed into utgar.
Just change kurrok to anything but a term associated with Utgar and he would be associated with another faction. Ullar or Aquilla would be just fine. Ullar, unlike Aquila, has magicians, and kurrok is a sorcerer. Honestly though, aren't we taking this game way too seriously if we are arguing about whether a guy is evil good, or whatever.
Also with the valkrill thing, WotC knew wave d3 was the last wave so there was no reason to add another general honestly, and if there was a reason we have yet to hear it.

[Kroc]

Originally Posted by Fireshadow

first of all, the elementals are constucts, so they have no life in the first place.
second kurrok is a magician just like the elves except he got put in utgar because of his hobgoblin status, and goblins, orcs and others of the like are slammed into utgar.
Just change kurrok to anything but a term associated with Utgar and he would be associated with another faction. Ullar or Aquilla would be just fine. Ullar, unlike Aquila, has magicians, and kurrok is a sorcerer. Honestly though, aren't we taking this game way too seriously if we are arguing about whether a guy is evil good, or whatever.
Also with the valkrill thing, WotC knew wave d3 was the last wave so there was no reason to add another general honestly, and if there was a reason we have yet to hear it.

Well, my little padawan, I guess we now have the nub of the problem. You see elementals as nothing more than constructs, I see them as creatures from another plane. This is, in the end, a philosophical debate which can have no answer. In the game, however, they do have souls, as was debated in this thread so I feel that my interpretation is consistent with the game. It is also consistent with the Dungeons and Dragons interpretation. On the other hand (from the Drizzt novels) we know that gnomes and other non-evil creatures do use elementals for their purpose. So I guess I'm something of a revolutionary.

Elementals Rights Now!

I've always had a soft spot for the underdog.

[Lyrgard]

Originally Posted by Kroc

In the game, however, they do have souls, as was debated in this thread

I would love to see this thread, but your link seems wrong. Could you correct it please ?

[wolfeman1968]

Stirring up more debate:
If you look at D&D, all color Dragons are evil, metallic Dragons are good and Gem Dragons are Neutral....
Therefore all the current Dragons in Heroscape should be either Valkrill, Utgar or Vydar(Red, Black, Blue, Green, White). If they came out with a Gold, Silver, Bronze, Copper or Brass Dragon they would be another General. Gem Dragons like Crystal, Ruby, Emerald, Amethyst, and Sapphire would fall into Aquilla and Ullar. Einar should not have Dragons based of them being more Historical figures and Dragons are Fantasy.
Also Gurei-Oni is an Orge which is also Fantasy and should have been Ullar or Vydar. But I do know he is Oriental in nature which fall along the lines of Samurai and Ninja's.

[The Disciplined Soldier]

Valguard to Utgar, he's just too wild for Einar.
Elite Onyx Vipers; these look more Vydar to me, but, I know, Ullar is viper HQ.

[iceman3317]

Originally Posted by wolfeman1968

Stirring up more debate:
If you look at D&D, all color Dragons are evil, metallic Dragons are good and Gem Dragons are Neutral....
Therefore all the current Dragons in Heroscape should be either Valkrill, Utgar or Vydar(Red, Black, Blue, Green, White). If they came out with a Gold, Silver, Bronze, Copper or Brass Dragon they would be another General. Gem Dragons like Crystal, Ruby, Emerald, Amethyst, and Sapphire would fall into Aquilla and Ullar. Einar should not have Dragons based of them being more Historical figures and Dragons are Fantasy.
Also Gurei-Oni is an Orge which is also Fantasy and should have been Ullar or Vydar. But I do know he is Oriental in nature which fall along the lines of Samurai and Ninja's.

Yes and no for the dragons being for Utgar,Valkrill and Vydar. First off, the setting of Wave 2 D&D, which the dragons are in, is in Eberron. Also, Vydar was not "evil" at the time.
Eberron setting for D&D:

Spoiler Alert!

In the Eberron campaign setting, three dragon gods have created the world: Siberys, Eberron and Khyber. Siberys and Eberron waged war against Khyber and imprisoned it within the depths of the earth. In the end, all three dragons merged with the land: Siberys becoming the sky, Eberron the continents and Khyber the underground world.
Dragons are apart from civilization, which is mostly concentrated on the continent of Khorvaire. They live on the continent of Argonnessen, a rather unknown place, since dragons are very territorial, it makes exploration often hazardous. The dragons used to rule over Eberron many centuries ago, but at the end of the Dragon-Fiend war, against the demons and devils of Khyber, they departed from Khorvaire to go to Argonnessen.
Dragons are immersed in the Draconic Prophecy, a legend which all bits of information are scattered throughout the world and that the outcome is unknown. They see every event as an important event in the Prophecy, and they even form an organization called the Chamber, where they send their brethren in search of clues. They can be of any alignment, like any creature in Eberron, so a good red dragon (usually evil) is as common as an evil gold dragon (usually good). This rule might throw some players off-balance. Dragons also consider themselves superior, treating all other races as inferior. Furthermore, any half-dragon spotted by these dragons is vowed to be hunted, as they treat these half-breeds as a disgrace to their image.

As for the huge Dragons, they are from a Heroscape world and they do not always get along because of different views. They also wanted to give every general their own Dragon to make it fair. Sadly, Aquilla came in too late and she never got her own official huge dragon. So all the dragons are ok in faction setting wise.

On the other hand, I also did not like the Frost Giant going to Utgar. Jandar always had the Ice/Snow Theme when it came to those types of units.

[Crixus33]

Originally Posted by wolfeman1968

Stirring up more debate:
If you look at D&D, all color Dragons are evil, metallic Dragons are good and Gem Dragons are Neutral....
Therefore all the current Dragons in Heroscape should be either Valkrill, Utgar or Vydar(Red, Black, Blue, Green, White). If they came out with a Gold, Silver, Bronze, Copper or Brass Dragon they would be another General. Gem Dragons like Crystal, Ruby, Emerald, Amethyst, and Sapphire would fall into Aquilla and Ullar. Einar should not have Dragons based of them being more Historical figures and Dragons are Fantasy.
Also Gurei-Oni is an Orge which is also Fantasy and should have been Ullar or Vydar. But I do know he is Oriental in nature which fall along the lines of Samurai and Ninja's.

Yeaaah.......... that is how dragons are like from DnD planets, but the full grown dragons (other than Moltenclaw and Othkurik) are from Icaria and I think they may be a slightly different breed of Dragon (I don't know I'm not the designers). Another thing the dragons from Icaria were a part of heroscape before anything DnD related came along into Valhalla so I don't think the Icarian dragons have to follow the same classifications set up by DnD.