The Book of Spoiler

[Lord Pyre]

Okay, class is figured out! Bat Grapple figured out! On to Crime Spoiler.

Bats and Johnny (I think) want to get rid of the negative aspect of it, saying that a low power hero adjacent to criminals is negative enough.

Any other opinions? I think the extra negative is thematic, but being that close would mean she's in over her head, too, so I'm fine with either way.

[IAmBatman]

Alfred/Gordon/Robin synergies (through Vigilante) make a lot more sense to me than Marvel Knights/JSA synergies (through Crime Fighter). So I still think it's a poor fit here, and prefer Vigilante or Interloper, personally. But it's not a big enough deal for me to hijack this thread over.

For Crime Spoiler, she's lucky to survive engagement until the end of the round most of the time, with 4 life and 4 defense.

[Lord Pyre]

Alfred can still heal her, and she still has bonding with Robin. Nobody liked the Gordon synergy with her, anyway, so I think it checks out.

[IAmBatman]

Fair enough.

[TrollBrute]

Crime Fighter works for me.

On the Negative aspect of Crime Spoiler, with only 4 life, when she loses Initiative, she'll take an automatic wound and then likely be attacked at least once. If she's not at full-life, putting an OM on her would be very risky.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

Crime Fighter works for me.

On the Negative aspect of Crime Spoiler, with only 4 life, when she loses Initiative, she'll take an automatic wound and then likely be attacked at least once. If she's not at full-life, putting an OM on her would be very risky.

That's true, initiative switch can be nasty.

[puzzlemonkey]

I sorta liked "Amateur" for the class. Or is this settled now?

Or perhaps:

Tyro
Dilettante
Neophyte?

Man. I'm a mess with my editing...

[tcglkn]

I do not like Crime-Fighter as the class here. She wouldn't be working with Luke Cage and she's not known to work with the JSA. With Griffin's logic, almost every Hero would have the class of Crime-Fighter and I don't agree with that. She should be working with Robin the best, hence he bonding power. So I'd support a class like Amateur or Delinquent like Bats suggested.

As for Crime Spoiler, I say drop the negative aspect, she's already engaged with a Crime Lord, if she loses initiative, there's a good chance she'll get wounded anyways.

[IAmBatman]

Amateur really does feel about right for that point in the character's career. Since she's not really welcomed by anyone in the crime fighting biz at this point, it also makes sense for her to have no real synergies outside of her Sidekick bonding power.

[Lord Pyre]

We'll drop the negative aspect of Crime Spoiler! I want to see Griff's feedback about the class again.

Other then that, I think we're about set.

[johnny139]

I'm feeling more and more flexible on class. Crime Fighter, Sidekick, Interloper... all work. I mean, yeah, she's not really in with the Crime Fighter "faction," but she IS a Crime Fighter, and weird synergies are a definite part of the franchise. Would Spoiler be hanging out with Luke Cage and Spider-Man? Probably not... but would Robin run with the Punisher? I think Spoiler fits in more with Spider-Girl than those two together.

Is she TECHNICALLY a Sidekick? No. Does she hang out with Sidekicks and fit in with their group? Yeah! She's a "junior hero" within a larger group framework... she's as much as Sidekick as Jubilee if you ask me.

Is she a member of the Outsiders? No. Is she an Interloper that interferes without being asked? Definitely. Would is be necessarily wrong for her to hang out with the Outsiders? I don't think so at all... they are, of course, a team of Batman-trained junior heroes. Sounds like a fun fit to me.

Vigilante is my only real holdup because I don't think it works mechanically OR flavorfully - but otherwise I'm good with whatever the LD and the group consensus is.

[Griffin]

My opinion on class is the same, but to help narrow things down for finalization, I won't go along with Vigilante, and though I think Crime Fighter is best (comparing her as a Crime Fighter to all other heroes is not a good comparison Tickle, because this chick works in Gotham fighting crime - heck, she even has a power called CRIME SPOILER ), I would be happy with Interloper or Amateur, or something along those lines.