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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
I consciously avoided looking at your rankings (or OEAO's, or even my own) when making this, to get a fresh perspective and avoid groupthink. I'm glad you like them.
I'll bump Kuthnak to B+. That's as far as I can go with theory. I need to see results to go higher. |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
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vegie dad at Online NHSD 2020, 4-1 with Deathchasers x5, Nerak, MBS, Kuthnak. Wins over Vydar Is The Man (Dwarves), Dysole (Gladblast) Loss to Bodacious Blood (Blades and Kuthnak) BodaciousBlood at Online NHSD 2020, 4-1 with Blades x4, Kuthnak, Grimnak, Tornak (sit 1). Wins over Vegie Dad (Chasers and Kuthnak), Loss to Vegietarian18 (Blades and Kaemon) boromir96 at Peoria Monthly April 2021, 4-0 with Deathchasers x6, Nerak, MBS, Kuthnak. Wins over infectedsloth (Dwarves) and Vegie Dad (Knights) 10 Years of Gencon/Scapecon Battle Reports - Comic Battle Reports - Probability Calculator App - Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes "It's all about the game." - Sgt. Ernie Calhoun |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
None of this really seems inconsistent to me with Kuthnak as B+, though. Strong matchup for 'chasers into Dwarves is no surprise of course. Kuthnak chasers lose to Kuthnak Blades (again, no surprise). And Blades without Kuthnak beat blades with Kuthnak (suggesting Kuthnak was a wose investment than Nerak, et al).
Contrasting against Raelin is unfair (nobody's arguing for Kuthnak at A+) but none of those results look to me like Kuthnak swinging a bad matchup in favor of the orcs. They certainly suggest he's not pulling those armies down very much, but I'm comfortable with high B+ for now. |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
Sure that's fair. High B+ isn't that different from A-. I think Kuthnak does help a little bit into Dwarves and Knights, the big melee bonders that Deathchasers normally struggle against by not having enough attacks per turn; he gives them the effective attacks per turn to compete there. But otherwise he doesn't change things for them massively, they're still high attack high speed low defense bonding squad. He's not game altering for Deathchasers, but he's good. It's hard to rate a figure that's just a component of a larger already good army. I think it would take a while to prove Nerak was really good if he released now.
Now it's time to see the tournament results that put Boreos at A- 10 Years of Gencon/Scapecon Battle Reports - Comic Battle Reports - Probability Calculator App - Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes "It's all about the game." - Sgt. Ernie Calhoun |
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(By contrast, Kuthnak operates in the tradition of self-destroy powers, which are a mixed bag. So there's less of a benefit of the doubt.) Quote:
I don't think it's a stretch at all to say Boreos delivers A- value to that army, even if the overall army power is below that. I guess that's kind of the opposite problem from Kuthnak - how do you prove the value of a unit when the overall army doesn't match that value? Last edited by dok; May 19th, 2021 at 01:53 PM. Reason: I guess this is also the Crixus/Arkmer problem |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
"Linchpin," you barbarian.
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I really appreciate the downward trend this iteration took. It really helps to delineate between units that were previously B+ to B-. So much so that C+ is now the most populous tier. I have 1 question and 1 contention.
Firstly, why drop the Trons without dropping the Stingers? I'm not sure whether or not I agree with dropping the Trons in general but I definitely think they're still better than Stingers. Secondly, I definitely think that you ranked the Specters too high. In S40 I did well but my army went 1-4. They lost to your TKN and grubs, Grey_Waves' Blackgaard, mtl1998's Cyp, Braxas, Rat pod and superfrog's Red Ants and EI.
Their only win was when I was piloting Vegie's Death Chasers. The specters have advantage on a lava map and admittedly I am unfamiliar with Chasers. The chasers were bid down significantly and it came down to 1 specter left. Honestly, my take away from that tournament was that I did so well because other people overestimated the Specters. I would have put them at B- on your old list and probably C+ to C on this new scale. "I disagree. You're kind of right, yes, but Vydar and I are entirely right." -superfrog High Quality Map Rendering Vydar's Custom Units Vydar's Maps VC Units Base Size Spreadsheet Last edited by Vydar_XLIII; May 19th, 2021 at 10:34 PM. Reason: Punctuation error. |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
Really interesting stuff VitM; thanks for posting.
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That said, if there's a gap between them it's very small, and stingers are certainly right on the borderline with A-. I could easily see dropping stingers down. Quote:
Still, they do struggle into matchups against higher-defense figures, which makes them hard to rate. It's no surprise they got shredded by the Blackgaard (another difficult-to-rate unit), or struggled to finish TKN after taking out the grubs. I'll drop them to B-, but I still think they have enough utility to avoid C+. Last edited by dok; May 20th, 2021 at 01:29 PM. Reason: * as I do |
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
OP updated, albeit with just basic formatting.
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Re: C3V/SoV-inclusive Power Rankings
Where's that at?
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