The Book of Spoiler

[johnny139]

I dunno. She doesn't seem like the sort of person that Gordon would be contacting or that would be able to lead Robin or Batgirl into battle.

She seems too "small time" to be a Vigilante, compared to guys like Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Black Canary, so on.

[IAmBatman]

I could see that.

The Gordon thing I agree with.

With Robin, etc., I see it more as them following her to keep her out of trouble than anything else. Though the theme on "Vigilante Protection" does get a bit wonky.

So, if we don't like her as a Crime Fighter (I'm a nay there), a Vigilante (valid points by Johnny), or a Sidekick (Griff and A3n seem deadset on that one), what do we like her as? What's the fourth option that fits here?

I threw "Delinquent" into the mix. Any traction there?

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by johnny139

I dunno. She doesn't seem like the sort of person that Gordon would be contacting or that would be able to lead Robin or Batgirl into battle.

She seems too "small time" to be a Vigilante, compared to guys like Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Black Canary, so on.

This. Even as Batgirl these would feel a little off. Maybe a new class is the best way to go.

[johnny139]

We could re-use "Interloper" from Creeper. I know that might have some Outsiders tie-ins, but it fits thematically and I don't really see that being a faction she'd be automatically excluded from.

[IAmBatman]

She definitely does seem like an Interloper, in that she sticks her head in where it's not wanted. And considering all the Outsider/Titans connections, some overlap there wouldn't be terrible.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by johnny139

I dunno. She doesn't seem like the sort of person that Gordon would be contacting or that would be able to lead Robin or Batgirl into battle.

She seems too "small time" to be a Vigilante, compared to guys like Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Black Canary, so on.

This is my main reasoning to not use Crime Fighter or Vigilante.

If we don't like Sidekick, there's not that many options it seems. Interloper might work, but if it'll give weird synergies I'm not sure that's the way to go (I don't know Creeper at all ).

"Crusader?" (Ya know, Caped Crusader... ) We could make a generic "Hero" class for people we don't want to have other synergies. Or since we're focusing on her recklessness in this design, maybe "Amateur?"

The online thesauruses gave me crap when I looked for synonyms for vigilante. One of them didn't even have a vigilante page, it redirected me to guardian. I'm PRETTY sure they aren't even CLOSE to being the same.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by johnny139

I dunno. She doesn't seem like the sort of person that Gordon would be contacting or that would be able to lead Robin or Batgirl into battle.

She seems too "small time" to be a Vigilante, compared to guys like Batman, Punisher, Daredevil, Black Canary, so on.

Which is a GREAT reason why I also stated that I prefer CRIME FIGHTER.

I am fine with Interloper btw.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Which is a GREAT reason why I also stated that I prefer CRIME FIGHTER.

I am fine with Interloper btw.

The Crime fighters are Luke Cage, Spiderman, Iron Man, etc... She doesn't exactly fit with them either.

But I do like Interloper if the synergies won't be too weird.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

The Crime fighters are Luke Cage, Spiderman, Iron Man, etc... She doesn't exactly fit with them either.

But I do like Interloper if the synergies won't be too weird.

1. Why should we assume that those are the only Crime Fighter types that will be designed? With that thinking, Punisher should have never been a Vigilante because Batman already had that covered.
2. Yes should would fit in just fine with those guys thematically in a crossover comic.
3. Though she isn't an expert Crime Fighter, she still fights freaking crime - that makes her dang Crime Fighter!

[johnny139]

I wouldn't mind Crime Fighter now that I think about it (it's a wider net - if Spider-Girl qualifies I think Spoiler would), but Bats seems against it.

[Lord Pyre]

Well, if you have plans to expand the faction with "lesser" heroes, then it's fine. I was just under the impression that you had the Crime Fighters scoped out to be the 200ish point street fighters like Iron Fist and Shang-Chi, etc.

So yeah, we can go with Crime Fighter.

EDIT: I forgot about Spidergirl. I always put her in my mutant bucket, not my crime fighter one, haha! They fit together pretty well.

[Griffin]

Pretty much all Justice Society figures will end up being Crime Fighters. Even the cheap ones.